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maybe I wasn't clear but I completely agree that airplanes are not good for the environment. That absolutely needs to be fixed. But to fix it requires capital a

maybe I wasn't clear but I completely agree that airplanes are not good for the environment. That absolutely needs to be fixed. But to fix it requires capital and public demand. We are hoping to generate both by getting more people flying so that it's not just a niche people who fly planes and care about the environment working asking for it and spending money in the industry

burkaman 2y ago
This is like saying that you know gas power plants are not good for the environment, so you're hoping to get gas generators into more homes to generate capital and demand to fix the problem. If your company is successful enough for you to invest significant resources into "greener propulsion technology", what is going to happen to all the planes you already sold to get there? Are you going to send an email blast out to all your customers telling them to stop flying now because it's time to pivot to hydrogen planes?
- mightyham 2y ago
  Classic false equivalence. Mature airplane engine technology based on alternative energy really doesn't exsit at the moment, while the same cannot be said for residential energy. The existence of the a fossil fuel based car market provided an impetus for electric car and battery technology to develop. Similarly, practical alternative energy flight will likely develop faster if there is a market for small, innovative aircrafts.
breck 2y ago
> airplanes are not good for the environment. > to fix it requires capital and public demand. In my engineering career, one thing I've learned is that if you fix problems B, C, and D, often it becomes a lot easier to fix orthogonal problem A, because the other fixes have made new things possible. I see what you are doing as fixing a lot of problems with flying, so then more attention can go into making planes quieter and more energy efficient. Perhaps yours is one of the steps to making planes as peaceful in the environment as birds[0]. [0] https://breckyunits.com/ifNatureIsDoingIt.html https://breckyunits.com/ifNatureIsDoingIt.html
callalex 2y ago
This forum is providing me a rare opportunity to speak to someone of your caliber: To someone not surrounded by the same aerospace/defence/pentagon welfare state people that you are surrounded by, you come across as very genuine, caring, and hard-working but completely missing the point. Your statements in this thread indicate that you think there maaaaay be an environmental issue but you don’t care because it could never affect you personally. You demonstrate no sense of urgency, which is what the people questioning you are looking for, because that’s what the science shows.
shafyy 2y ago
And you don't see the problem with your reasoning? Honestly not?
sdeframond 2y ago
So, in order to reduce airplanes environmental impact, your plan is to increase it first by putting more airplanes in the sky? Sounds like some wicked variation of Jevon's paradox.
392 2y ago
Just wanted to say thanks for saving pilot lives and making an awesome sport more accessible. As someone with a background in controlling difficult vehicles who has seen the accessibility improvements of electric assists, your plan makes sense to me! And the plane is priced appealingly. Please don't feel discouraged by the loonies who can't do math deciding that today is the day yet another niche sport (0.04% of global emissions) must die at the altar of the Environment. They'll forget by tomorrow.

burkaman 2y ago

This is like saying that you know gas power plants are not good for the environment, so you're hoping to get gas generators into more homes to generate capital and demand to fix the problem. If your company is successful enough for you to invest significant resources into "greener propulsion technology", what is going to happen to all the planes you already sold to get there? Are you going to send an email blast out to all your customers telling them to stop flying now because it's time to pivot to hydrogen planes?

mightyham 2y ago
Classic false equivalence. Mature airplane engine technology based on alternative energy really doesn't exsit at the moment, while the same cannot be said for residential energy. The existence of the a fossil fuel based car market provided an impetus for electric car and battery technology to develop. Similarly, practical alternative energy flight will likely develop faster if there is a market for small, innovative aircrafts.

breck 2y ago

> airplanes are not good for the environment. > to fix it requires capital and public demand. In my engineering career, one thing I've learned is that if you fix problems B, C, and D, often it becomes a lot easier to fix orthogonal problem A, because the other fixes have made new things possible. I see what you are doing as fixing a lot of problems with flying, so then more attention can go into making planes quieter and more energy efficient. Perhaps yours is one of the steps to making planes as peaceful in the environment as birds[0]. [0] https://breckyunits.com/ifNatureIsDoingIt.html https://breckyunits.com/ifNatureIsDoingIt.html

callalex 2y ago

This forum is providing me a rare opportunity to speak to someone of your caliber: To someone not surrounded by the same aerospace/defence/pentagon welfare state people that you are surrounded by, you come across as very genuine, caring, and hard-working but completely missing the point. Your statements in this thread indicate that you think there maaaaay be an environmental issue but you don’t care because it could never affect you personally. You demonstrate no sense of urgency, which is what the people questioning you are looking for, because that’s what the science shows.

shafyy 2y ago

And you don't see the problem with your reasoning? Honestly not?

sdeframond 2y ago

So, in order to reduce airplanes environmental impact, your plan is to increase it first by putting more airplanes in the sky? Sounds like some wicked variation of Jevon's paradox.

392 2y ago

Just wanted to say thanks for saving pilot lives and making an awesome sport more accessible. As someone with a background in controlling difficult vehicles who has seen the accessibility improvements of electric assists, your plan makes sense to me! And the plane is priced appealingly. Please don't feel discouraged by the loonies who can't do math deciding that today is the day yet another niche sport (0.04% of global emissions) must die at the altar of the Environment. They'll forget by tomorrow.