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A million times this. Modern and efficient train networks are the best way to travel, even for longer distances of a few thousand kilometers (night trains). Sur

by shafyy 2y ago

A million times this. Modern and efficient train networks are the best way to travel, even for longer distances of a few thousand kilometers (night trains). Sure, there are still use cases for flying, but the dismissiveness of people who have never experienced great train travel against it just shocks me.

gizajob 2y ago
Hmmm I just flew from Bergamo, Italy to Liverpool, UK and it was basically four hours door to door from where I was staying to where I was going in Liverpool, and for less than €100. The train can’t do this.
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- 2143 2y ago
  Bergamo to Liverpool is over 1700 km by road as per Google Maps. The company is trying to solve transportation for the 50 to 300 mile range (around 80 to 500 km). Trains can easily do this. Anyway, in China the Beijing to Guangzhou high-speed rail covers the 2200 km distance in 8 hours. Costs $120. ----- Do note that — while I do understand there's an environmental impact (and I hope technology improves to eliminate this impact) — I'm not against flying. I love flying. In fact I wanted to become a commercial pilot myself.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    Yeah by the same token I love trains too. I’d happily get the train between Bergamo and Liverpool but as it stands we’d probably be talking €500 and 12-24 hours with multiple changes. Flights can be had from €20.
- Aachen 2y ago
  Airplanes can't do this either. The reason you paid 100€ is that your ticket did not include paying for cleaning up the mess the plane has left behind I'm happy for everyone to fly to and from work if they'd also pay for cleaning up the pollution it causes. We have several options, carbfix and olivine weathering come to mind but there's also at least one company who turns atmospheric CO2 back into fuel, we just need to start doing it after realising that what we're doing is only possible because the climate hasn't caught up with current habits yet
  - gizajob 2y ago
    Yet despite airlines not being able to do it, it happened.
    - Aachen 2y ago
      I think you understand the nonliteral meaning here
      - gizajob 2y ago
        But also train tracks and infrastructure aren’t exactly free of mess all across the landscape. Flights can be had for as low as €20, which yeah, makes no sense at all.

by shafyy 2y ago

gizajob 2y ago

Hmmm I just flew from Bergamo, Italy to Liverpool, UK and it was basically four hours door to door from where I was staying to where I was going in Liverpool, and for less than €100. The train can’t do this.

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2143 2y ago
Bergamo to Liverpool is over 1700 km by road as per Google Maps. The company is trying to solve transportation for the 50 to 300 mile range (around 80 to 500 km). Trains can easily do this. Anyway, in China the Beijing to Guangzhou high-speed rail covers the 2200 km distance in 8 hours. Costs $120. ----- Do note that — while I do understand there's an environmental impact (and I hope technology improves to eliminate this impact) — I'm not against flying. I love flying. In fact I wanted to become a commercial pilot myself.
- gizajob 2y ago
  Yeah by the same token I love trains too. I’d happily get the train between Bergamo and Liverpool but as it stands we’d probably be talking €500 and 12-24 hours with multiple changes. Flights can be had from €20.
Aachen 2y ago
Airplanes can't do this either. The reason you paid 100€ is that your ticket did not include paying for cleaning up the mess the plane has left behind I'm happy for everyone to fly to and from work if they'd also pay for cleaning up the pollution it causes. We have several options, carbfix and olivine weathering come to mind but there's also at least one company who turns atmospheric CO2 back into fuel, we just need to start doing it after realising that what we're doing is only possible because the climate hasn't caught up with current habits yet
- gizajob 2y ago
  Yet despite airlines not being able to do it, it happened.
  - Aachen 2y ago
    I think you understand the nonliteral meaning here
    - gizajob 2y ago
      But also train tracks and infrastructure aren’t exactly free of mess all across the landscape. Flights can be had for as low as €20, which yeah, makes no sense at all.