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It depends what you mean by "The Web"; the words might have more than one possible meaning. Usually you would say HTML and HTTP(S) is "The Web", although you co

It depends what you mean by "The Web"; the words might have more than one possible meaning. Usually you would say HTML and HTTP(S) is "The Web", although you could also consider a wider definition, that since gemini:// and spartan:// resources have URLs, they can also be considered as a part of "the Web", too.

cxr 2y ago
> you could also consider a wider definition That's an understatement, which is sort of the whole point of what I wrote: > I encourage everybody to read TBL's book Weaving The Web and his other expository writing People who think they know what the Web is but thinks it doesn't include Gopherspace are simply wrong; they are ignorant—in the literal, denotative sense of the word.
cxr 2y ago
When I say "the Web", what I mean is the Web. > Usually you would say HTML and HTTP(S) is "The Web" No. The Web is the Web, for all the reasons I already gave. "The Web doesn't mean "browser technologies".
- eru 2y ago
  When communicating, it's often useful to use words in their widely understood and shared meaning.
  - cxr 2y ago
    The Web is widely understood to refer to interconnected resources* with links between them. Aside from that, you're on pretty shaky ground here. The person on the street has no idea what HTML or HTTP(S) are. It's not unlikely that they have never even heard of them. Which means you've committed yourself to defending the semi-informed technologist who thinks they know what they're talking about except that they don't. That's a lot narrower of a demographic than your appeal to popularity here lets on (or would even help with—assuming that we don't throw it out on the grounds that it's just an appeal to popularity). * usually pages; sometimes apps; and probably you could get people to pretty quickly acknowledge stuff like images, etc. if you brought it up ("oh, yeah; those too").

cxr 2y ago

> you could also consider a wider definition That's an understatement, which is sort of the whole point of what I wrote: > I encourage everybody to read TBL's book Weaving The Web and his other expository writing People who think they know what the Web is but thinks it doesn't include Gopherspace are simply wrong; they are ignorant—in the literal, denotative sense of the word.

cxr 2y ago

When I say "the Web", what I mean is the Web. > Usually you would say HTML and HTTP(S) is "The Web" No. The Web is the Web, for all the reasons I already gave. "The Web doesn't mean "browser technologies".

eru 2y ago
When communicating, it's often useful to use words in their widely understood and shared meaning.
- cxr 2y ago
  The Web is widely understood to refer to interconnected resources* with links between them. Aside from that, you're on pretty shaky ground here. The person on the street has no idea what HTML or HTTP(S) are. It's not unlikely that they have never even heard of them. Which means you've committed yourself to defending the semi-informed technologist who thinks they know what they're talking about except that they don't. That's a lot narrower of a demographic than your appeal to popularity here lets on (or would even help with—assuming that we don't throw it out on the grounds that it's just an appeal to popularity). * usually pages; sometimes apps; and probably you could get people to pretty quickly acknowledge stuff like images, etc. if you brought it up ("oh, yeah; those too").