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> everyone tries that They don’t really. People try and fit in publicly so that they’re seen to be good by their group, whereas fitting in to any group at any

> everyone tries that They don’t really. People try and fit in publicly so that they’re seen to be good by their group, whereas fitting in to any group at any level in any age requires accepting some things that you know are bad and when things aren’t visible people commonly indulge in a lot of bad that even their group would publicly object to often with the moral license they feel they’ve earned from the performative good they do in public. Being a truly good person by our own standards is hard to the point of almost being impossible.

lukan 2y ago
"Being a truly good person by our own standards is hard to the point of almost being impossible." My favorite trope, the snark knight. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSnarkKnight https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSnarkKnight Still, I don't think it is impossible. It just depends on the standards one sets. Some seem to be doing fine, being assholes. But I also suffer from setting my standards impossible high. But I cannot really change them without giving up myself.
- nyokodo 2y ago
  > I don't think it is impossible I agree. I said "almost impossible." > the snark knight This isn't snark, or self-righteousness. This view on humanity is merely a realization most religions and cultures have come to understand across human history. > Some seem to be doing fine, being assholes Even if their standards are incredibly low I wager they are failing at them all the time, and if they don't admit it then they are lying to save face, lying to themselves, and making excuses.
adolph 2y ago
>> everyone tries [to be a non-crap person] > People try and fit in publicly so that they’re seen to be good by their group These statements are not in disagreement. “People who live in society have learnt how to see themselves, in mirrors, as they appear to their friends.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea [0] > requires accepting some things that you know are bad Light is the head that accepts one's own doing as "bad." Moreoften I think people face inner resistance stemming from the cognitive dissonance between the unknowable "own standards" and the very legible external standards.[1, 2] 0. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/548471-people-who-live-in-society-have-learnt-how-to-see https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/548471-people-who-live-in-s... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology) 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality

lukan 2y ago

"Being a truly good person by our own standards is hard to the point of almost being impossible." My favorite trope, the snark knight. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSnarkKnight https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSnarkKnight Still, I don't think it is impossible. It just depends on the standards one sets. Some seem to be doing fine, being assholes. But I also suffer from setting my standards impossible high. But I cannot really change them without giving up myself.

nyokodo 2y ago
> I don't think it is impossible I agree. I said "almost impossible." > the snark knight This isn't snark, or self-righteousness. This view on humanity is merely a realization most religions and cultures have come to understand across human history. > Some seem to be doing fine, being assholes Even if their standards are incredibly low I wager they are failing at them all the time, and if they don't admit it then they are lying to save face, lying to themselves, and making excuses.

adolph 2y ago

>> everyone tries [to be a non-crap person] > People try and fit in publicly so that they’re seen to be good by their group These statements are not in disagreement. “People who live in society have learnt how to see themselves, in mirrors, as they appear to their friends.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea [0] > requires accepting some things that you know are bad Light is the head that accepts one's own doing as "bad." Moreoften I think people face inner resistance stemming from the cognitive dissonance between the unknowable "own standards" and the very legible external standards.[1, 2] 0. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/548471-people-who-live-in-society-have-learnt-how-to-see https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/548471-people-who-live-in-s... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology) 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality