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Chrome is not anyone's default browser, but it still has dominance. People will be bothered a little under some circumstances.

acdha 2y ago
Chrome is a complicated case in general because Google poured money into promoting Chrome and had some of the most popular sites on the web promoting it heavily and actively sabotaged Firefox at several key points. I respect a lot of the Chrome team’s early work but it’s very hard for me to see that as a story about fair competition alone.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Yeah, this is the thing that gets me. Chrome is the (rare) exception when we're talking about defaults generally winning, not the rule. An interesting thought experiment might be to imagine if Chrome was actually somehow the default browser on Windows and/or macOS. I think we could expect Edge's and/or Safari's market share numbers to be much lower than they are now if that were the case.
- jfoster 2y ago
  So, to summarize: defaults are powerful, but advertising is more powerful.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    Specifically, Google was leveraging their existence as "THE web" to push their web browser. Every single Google property aggressively displayed banners and reminders and nag prompts ensuring you "Gmail is best in Chrome" and other nonsense that "Just one click here to fix". Yes, putting a single button with vague words in front of users almost always gets a lot of clicks, which we've known for decades, and it turns out, if you have the attention of nearly the entire web-browsing world, you can put that button in front of people's faces way more than your competitors. It should have been considered billions of dollars of free advertising for Chrome that should have been assessed against them somehow. It's blatantly unfair and should have been shut down in literally days, but nooooooooo we aren't allowed to have regulation here in the states.
  - acdha 2y ago
    Not just advertising: Mozilla could not have put a “better in Firefox” button on Gmail or YouTube at any price, or forced Google to follow through on their promise around H.264, etc.
    - magicalist 2y ago
      > Mozilla could not have put a “better in Firefox” button on Gmail or YouTube at any price Microsoft is literally doing this, and yet... https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/12/microsoft-edge-will-now-warn-users-about-the-dangers-of-downloading-google-chrome/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/12/microsoft-edge-will-...
    - FMecha 2y ago
      Google also tried to push PC OEMs to pre-install Chrome on their new PCs when Chrome was new.[1] Sony/VAIO is the only manufacturer to have known to take the bait.[2] [1] https://www.crn.com.au/news/google-may-pre-install-chrome-browser-129072 https://www.crn.com.au/news/google-may-pre-install-chrome-br... [2] https://thenextweb.com/news/sony-computers-google-chrome-browser-preinstalled https://thenextweb.com/news/sony-computers-google-chrome-bro...
      - Izkata 2y ago
        I vaguely remember it also getting packaged in with installers for unrelated software on Windows.
Ferret7446 2y ago
For factual correctness, I'll point out that Chrome is the default on (Pixel) Android and ChromeOS.
ImJamal 2y ago
Chrome is the default on Chromebooks which has a decent marketshare.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Are you sure about that? As I said in another comment that’s not my experience. Might be wrong, I’ll double check tomorrow at work.
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    I am 100% positive. Which browser do you think is the default on a Chromebook?
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      My bad, I ready to fast and understood "google search" while you wrote "chrome".
kiwijamo 2y ago
Very strange statement to make given a large mobile phone operating system (Android) has Chrome as the default browser. Also the default in some Linux distros such as the Raspberry Pi OS. And many PC builders bundle Chrome with their usual crapware. Other posters have also pointed out Google's own Chromebooks use Chrome by default as well. Quite a significant base especially among people who don't have the money to buy into the Apple ecosystem.

acdha 2y ago

Chrome is a complicated case in general because Google poured money into promoting Chrome and had some of the most popular sites on the web promoting it heavily and actively sabotaged Firefox at several key points. I respect a lot of the Chrome team’s early work but it’s very hard for me to see that as a story about fair competition alone.

kelnos 2y ago
Yeah, this is the thing that gets me. Chrome is the (rare) exception when we're talking about defaults generally winning, not the rule. An interesting thought experiment might be to imagine if Chrome was actually somehow the default browser on Windows and/or macOS. I think we could expect Edge's and/or Safari's market share numbers to be much lower than they are now if that were the case.
jfoster 2y ago
So, to summarize: defaults are powerful, but advertising is more powerful.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  Specifically, Google was leveraging their existence as "THE web" to push their web browser. Every single Google property aggressively displayed banners and reminders and nag prompts ensuring you "Gmail is best in Chrome" and other nonsense that "Just one click here to fix". Yes, putting a single button with vague words in front of users almost always gets a lot of clicks, which we've known for decades, and it turns out, if you have the attention of nearly the entire web-browsing world, you can put that button in front of people's faces way more than your competitors. It should have been considered billions of dollars of free advertising for Chrome that should have been assessed against them somehow. It's blatantly unfair and should have been shut down in literally days, but nooooooooo we aren't allowed to have regulation here in the states.
- acdha 2y ago
  Not just advertising: Mozilla could not have put a “better in Firefox” button on Gmail or YouTube at any price, or forced Google to follow through on their promise around H.264, etc.
  - magicalist 2y ago
    > Mozilla could not have put a “better in Firefox” button on Gmail or YouTube at any price Microsoft is literally doing this, and yet... https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/12/microsoft-edge-will-now-warn-users-about-the-dangers-of-downloading-google-chrome/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/12/microsoft-edge-will-...
  - FMecha 2y ago
    Google also tried to push PC OEMs to pre-install Chrome on their new PCs when Chrome was new.[1] Sony/VAIO is the only manufacturer to have known to take the bait.[2] [1] https://www.crn.com.au/news/google-may-pre-install-chrome-browser-129072 https://www.crn.com.au/news/google-may-pre-install-chrome-br... [2] https://thenextweb.com/news/sony-computers-google-chrome-browser-preinstalled https://thenextweb.com/news/sony-computers-google-chrome-bro...
    - Izkata 2y ago
      I vaguely remember it also getting packaged in with installers for unrelated software on Windows.

Ferret7446 2y ago

For factual correctness, I'll point out that Chrome is the default on (Pixel) Android and ChromeOS.

ImJamal 2y ago

Chrome is the default on Chromebooks which has a decent marketshare.

aziaziazi 2y ago
Are you sure about that? As I said in another comment that’s not my experience. Might be wrong, I’ll double check tomorrow at work.
- ImJamal 2y ago
  I am 100% positive. Which browser do you think is the default on a Chromebook?
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    My bad, I ready to fast and understood "google search" while you wrote "chrome".

kiwijamo 2y ago

Very strange statement to make given a large mobile phone operating system (Android) has Chrome as the default browser. Also the default in some Linux distros such as the Raspberry Pi OS. And many PC builders bundle Chrome with their usual crapware. Other posters have also pointed out Google's own Chromebooks use Chrome by default as well. Quite a significant base especially among people who don't have the money to buy into the Apple ecosystem.