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Apple could be getting paid off by google to keep this aspect of search difficult to change.

arresin 2y ago
$20 billion in 2022 according to the verge via court docs: https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple-20-billion-in-2022-to-be-safaris-default-search-engine https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple...
- lupire 2y ago
  If these hypothetically had no impact on the rest of the business, and were just an arbitrary payment, they would be the difference between Google having more profit than Apple, and vice versa.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  No, absolutely not -- that says nothing whatsoever about making the default difficult to change. It's just about what the default is.
  - srcreigh 2y ago
    The “make search difficult to change” is more obviously anti trust worthy, and if they did make this deal I would not be surprised if they were careful to not write anything down. (Not to mention google deleting chats against court orders)
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    sure, but every change away from that default means having the default is that much less valuable. So it sort of seems like it might make financial sense not devoting dev time to making it easy to switch.
  - pydry 2y ago
    That last part requires a nudge and a wink, just like those OEMs who didn't "need" to make it annoying as fuck to turn off secure boot under the terms of their contract with Microsoft but did it anyway because they knew what was good for them.
  - CapstanRoller 2y ago
    It "says nothing whatsoever" only if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday, or have a vested interest in defending a massive corporation.
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    When you are committing a crime, do you put it in writing, sign it and send it to a judge?
- fshbbdssbbgdd 2y ago
  If the rate Google pays is in some way set per usage/rev-share, then Google is indeed paying to make the setting difficult to change.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    > If the rate Google pays is in some way set per usage/rev-share Rule number 1 of commiting a crime, is don’t create evidence and then sign it yourself and send it to lawyers
maximus_01 2y ago
The deal with Google is not a fixed amount. It has a revenue component (ie a share of Google revenue from that user). So the motivation for Apple to make it difficult is clear - a user switching browser costs Apple money as it does not have revenue share deals with others

$20 billion in 2022 according to the verge via court docs: https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple-20-billion-in-2022-to-be-safaris-default-search-engine https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple...

lupire 2y ago
If these hypothetically had no impact on the rest of the business, and were just an arbitrary payment, they would be the difference between Google having more profit than Apple, and vice versa.
crazygringo 2y ago
No, absolutely not -- that says nothing whatsoever about making the default difficult to change. It's just about what the default is.
- srcreigh 2y ago
  The “make search difficult to change” is more obviously anti trust worthy, and if they did make this deal I would not be surprised if they were careful to not write anything down. (Not to mention google deleting chats against court orders)
- bryanrasmussen 2y ago
  sure, but every change away from that default means having the default is that much less valuable. So it sort of seems like it might make financial sense not devoting dev time to making it easy to switch.
- pydry 2y ago
  That last part requires a nudge and a wink, just like those OEMs who didn't "need" to make it annoying as fuck to turn off secure boot under the terms of their contract with Microsoft but did it anyway because they knew what was good for them.
- CapstanRoller 2y ago
  It "says nothing whatsoever" only if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday, or have a vested interest in defending a massive corporation.
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  When you are committing a crime, do you put it in writing, sign it and send it to a judge?
fshbbdssbbgdd 2y ago
If the rate Google pays is in some way set per usage/rev-share, then Google is indeed paying to make the setting difficult to change.
- deleted 2y ago
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- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  > If the rate Google pays is in some way set per usage/rev-share Rule number 1 of commiting a crime, is don’t create evidence and then sign it yourself and send it to lawyers

maximus_01 2y ago

The deal with Google is not a fixed amount. It has a revenue component (ie a share of Google revenue from that user). So the motivation for Apple to make it difficult is clear - a user switching browser costs Apple money as it does not have revenue share deals with others