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Makes sense, men literally don't have to do shit, it's like going to an online baby store and waiting 9 months for amazon delivery. On the other hand women can

Makes sense, men literally don't have to do shit, it's like going to an online baby store and waiting 9 months for amazon delivery. On the other hand women can die in the process or more usually just have their entire body subtly destroyed in countless ways, from bone loss to getting actual depression. Rich people use surrogates for a reason.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
For women, children are a job and huge opportunity cost. For men, they are a hobby and minimal opportunity cost. Broadly speaking.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Only strictly traditionally. There are lots of stay at home dads and moms who only briefly paused their careers for a minimum amount during maternity leave (see: outside the US where you don't just get fired). But the entry level cost is always completely one sided.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Anecdotally, I believe this occurs because I have witnessed, but is not observed at scale in the data. Even Pew Research shows aggregate belief system that men are providers [1], women are caretakers, even as pay between both reaches parity [2]. Chance of divorce doubles for men when they become unemployed, but the same effect is not seen in women, for example [3]. Most of my data and observations are US centric; if you have data from outside the US, and I would love to review any citations you can provide simply out of curiosity from a sociological perspective. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-gr... [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41053582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41053582 (citations)
    - moffkalast 2y ago
      From your sources: > marriages where the husband is the primary or sole breadwinner has fallen steadily in recent decades, driven mainly by the declining share of marriages where the husband is the sole provider – this was the arrangement in 49% of marriages in 1972, while today that share is _23%_. > share of marriages where the wife is the sole or primary breadwinner has increased from 5% in 1972 to _16%_ today Well I would've expected that to be a bit higher, but that's still only a 7% difference which is extremely minimal given that it's not been that long historically since it's even been, you know... legal. The rise of both having to be equal providers probably has more to do with the rising cost of living and flat wages than anything else. Some of that caused by suddenly having twice the workforce of course.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

For women, children are a job and huge opportunity cost. For men, they are a hobby and minimal opportunity cost. Broadly speaking.

moffkalast 2y ago
Only strictly traditionally. There are lots of stay at home dads and moms who only briefly paused their careers for a minimum amount during maternity leave (see: outside the US where you don't just get fired). But the entry level cost is always completely one sided.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Anecdotally, I believe this occurs because I have witnessed, but is not observed at scale in the data. Even Pew Research shows aggregate belief system that men are providers [1], women are caretakers, even as pay between both reaches parity [2]. Chance of divorce doubles for men when they become unemployed, but the same effect is not seen in women, for example [3]. Most of my data and observations are US centric; if you have data from outside the US, and I would love to review any citations you can provide simply out of curiosity from a sociological perspective. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-gr... [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41053582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41053582 (citations)
  - moffkalast 2y ago
    From your sources: > marriages where the husband is the primary or sole breadwinner has fallen steadily in recent decades, driven mainly by the declining share of marriages where the husband is the sole provider – this was the arrangement in 49% of marriages in 1972, while today that share is _23%_. > share of marriages where the wife is the sole or primary breadwinner has increased from 5% in 1972 to _16%_ today Well I would've expected that to be a bit higher, but that's still only a 7% difference which is extremely minimal given that it's not been that long historically since it's even been, you know... legal. The rise of both having to be equal providers probably has more to do with the rising cost of living and flat wages than anything else. Some of that caused by suddenly having twice the workforce of course.