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> The article notes that’s what the elected claims in a filing. Unfortunately, Reuters didn’t attempt to value the ticket. > If I lie on my tax filing But wha

> The article notes that’s what the elected claims in a filing. Unfortunately, Reuters didn’t attempt to value the ticket. > If I lie on my tax filing But what if you don't lie? Do we know the real value of those tickets and if realistically it's close enough to the nominal value to consider the rule was respected at least on paper? Not that I put too much faith in "politicians", or in the ethics rules around them but at the very least leave some room for uncertainty in there. Those rules and the ethics training people go through are not for the people who are most likely to need them. They're the ethics equivalent of homeopathy. Look also at leaders who very visibly receive "gifts" and then in an impossibly long string of coincidences the trail of evidence is destroyed (see Ursula von der Leyen). Others are actual as-deternmined-by-a-judge criminals but still hold leadership positions in the field they committed the crime in (Christine Lagarde). If they don't get the ticket, a family member will. Or they'll win it in a raffle they never knew they participated in. There's a never ending list of ways to not illegally circumvent any of these rules.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Do we know the real (nominal?) value of those tickets? I think it’s safe to say a Taylor Swift concert ticket is worth more than $590. > they don't get the ticket, a family member will. Or they'll win it in a raffle they never knew they participated in At that point you accept the gift and don’t disclose. See: Menendez.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > I think it’s safe to say a Taylor Swift concert ticket is worth more than $590. It's very possible that's what it cost the organization giving the ticket; given it comes "from the San Francisco 49ers" and it's in their stadium, they likely don't pay market price for theirs. Valuation can be weird for "these are free to us and the general public can't even purchase them" at times.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Valuation can be weird for "these are free to us and the general public can't even purchase them" at times True. But were there any tickets to that concert that sold below $590?
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      I don’t know what the 49ers’ special rate for events at their own stadium is.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  To us, yes. To Ticketmaster, not particularly. I'll admit it's insidiously clever to use a concert ticket as speculative currency. I sure do hope that loophole gets closed later, if it's not already closed.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > To us, yes. To Ticketmaster, not particularly. These forms require disclosure of value. Not production cost.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Sure. I can imagine a cheap Taylor Swift concert ticket being $500. I can also imagine that Swift concerts sell out before pre-orders even end so that ticket has a lot more value on secondhand markets. Unlike WoTC nor Konami, Ticket aster was stupid enough to also host this secondhand market, so in some ways they can set "trading values" and benefit from it. I think that's ultimately going to be its achiles heel.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Do we know the real (nominal?) value of those tickets? I think it’s safe to say a Taylor Swift concert ticket is worth more than $590. > they don't get the ticket, a family member will. Or they'll win it in a raffle they never knew they participated in At that point you accept the gift and don’t disclose. See: Menendez.

ceejayoz 2y ago
> I think it’s safe to say a Taylor Swift concert ticket is worth more than $590. It's very possible that's what it cost the organization giving the ticket; given it comes "from the San Francisco 49ers" and it's in their stadium, they likely don't pay market price for theirs. Valuation can be weird for "these are free to us and the general public can't even purchase them" at times.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Valuation can be weird for "these are free to us and the general public can't even purchase them" at times True. But were there any tickets to that concert that sold below $590?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    I don’t know what the 49ers’ special rate for events at their own stadium is.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
To us, yes. To Ticketmaster, not particularly. I'll admit it's insidiously clever to use a concert ticket as speculative currency. I sure do hope that loophole gets closed later, if it's not already closed.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > To us, yes. To Ticketmaster, not particularly. These forms require disclosure of value. Not production cost.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Sure. I can imagine a cheap Taylor Swift concert ticket being $500. I can also imagine that Swift concerts sell out before pre-orders even end so that ticket has a lot more value on secondhand markets. Unlike WoTC nor Konami, Ticket aster was stupid enough to also host this secondhand market, so in some ways they can set "trading values" and benefit from it. I think that's ultimately going to be its achiles heel.