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I agree. This is a heavily vibes-based petition, seemingly designed to be emotive at the expense of clarity. Is it about DRM stopping games from working? MMOs b

I agree. This is a heavily vibes-based petition, seemingly designed to be emotive at the expense of clarity. Is it about DRM stopping games from working? MMOs being shut down? Live services dying? In the best case scenario, this would be relatively narrowly targeted at something like DRM servers, requiring a final patch to strip DRM. What I fear is more likely to happen is that you end up with something with loopholes that causes many more games to go down the SimCity (the shitty version) route of faux online features to get them to fall into some sort of online-required carve-out. Or you end up with the GDPR route, where the big names will violate it anyways and just don't care about the penalties for doing so.

jwueller 2y ago
"No planned obsolescence" seems like a pretty clear goal to me. No carve-out for online games required. They don't care about GDPR penalties? I'm going to need a source for this one.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Funny thing is server shutdowns are rarely as "planned" out as you'd imagine. Look at GameInformer as we speak. In less than 1 business day the staff was kicked out with no warning, its 20+ year old website taken down, and its twitter handle deleted, hours after making a goodbye statement. This was clearly not planned more than a month in advance by Gamestop. Planned Obscolecense implies (if not, is outright defined) as designing a product to fail in a specific amount of time. No game service worth its salt is designed to shut down in 6 months (you can probably find some chinese asset mills to prove me wrong. so take a charitable interpretation of "worth its salt")
  - account42 2y ago
    There may be premature shutdown but no buiness plans to run servers for free forever. Ongoing server costs will be part of the business plan from the start.
CRConrad 2y ago
> This is a heavily vibes-based petition, seemingly designed to be emotive at the expense of clarity. Is it about DRM stopping games from working? MMOs being shut down? Live services dying? Por que no los dos? Both are dick moves, verging on fraud if you've made money by ostensibly “selling” something that the customer finds themselves not actually owning, aren't they? Why should either of them be legal?

jwueller 2y ago

"No planned obsolescence" seems like a pretty clear goal to me. No carve-out for online games required. They don't care about GDPR penalties? I'm going to need a source for this one.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
Funny thing is server shutdowns are rarely as "planned" out as you'd imagine. Look at GameInformer as we speak. In less than 1 business day the staff was kicked out with no warning, its 20+ year old website taken down, and its twitter handle deleted, hours after making a goodbye statement. This was clearly not planned more than a month in advance by Gamestop. Planned Obscolecense implies (if not, is outright defined) as designing a product to fail in a specific amount of time. No game service worth its salt is designed to shut down in 6 months (you can probably find some chinese asset mills to prove me wrong. so take a charitable interpretation of "worth its salt")
- account42 2y ago
  There may be premature shutdown but no buiness plans to run servers for free forever. Ongoing server costs will be part of the business plan from the start.

CRConrad 2y ago

> This is a heavily vibes-based petition, seemingly designed to be emotive at the expense of clarity. Is it about DRM stopping games from working? MMOs being shut down? Live services dying? Por que no los dos? Both are dick moves, verging on fraud if you've made money by ostensibly “selling” something that the customer finds themselves not actually owning, aren't they? Why should either of them be legal?