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You can't learn a foreign language from Duolingo alone either, so the original sentence stands.

watwut 2y ago
Original sentence is still nonsense. No, if duolingo stopped with those messages, people would still not picked book as replacement. And book as your only resource have massive drop put rates. People generally give up very soon.
- Sakos 2y ago
  It feels to me like we're in agreement, so I'm not certain why you're saying my original sentence is nonsense. > people would still not picked book as replacement Yes, exactly. > And book as your only resource have massive drop put rates. People generally give up very soon. Yes, entirely correct. That's what something like Duolingo promises to solve and these obstacles (independent of Duolingo) are why people won't pick up a book or do other forms of self-learning instead. They want a service like Duolingo, because it promises to make learning more approachable and accessible and provides mental tricks to keep you engaged regularly and long-term. Which brings me around to my original argument: The article is framing it in this weirdly malicious way as if it isn't exactly what people wanted from a service like Duolingo. It's like turning a water boiler on and then getting upset that the water is hot. I thought that was the point?
  - watwut 2y ago
    In that case I misunderstood your original sentence. I knee jerked, projecting something that was not present in your writing into it. So I apologize. For whatever it is worth, I know you did not wrote it, the "pick a textbook for language learning" meme is sort of my pet peeve. I kinda suspect that people saying it never learned foreign language.
    - Sakos 2y ago
      That's okay, I'm glad we could clear it up. I won't pretend that I have any idea how one would best learn a language and I don't know if Duolingo is effective at all. I just understand why people want services like it.

Original sentence is still nonsense. No, if duolingo stopped with those messages, people would still not picked book as replacement. And book as your only resource have massive drop put rates. People generally give up very soon.

Sakos 2y ago
It feels to me like we're in agreement, so I'm not certain why you're saying my original sentence is nonsense. > people would still not picked book as replacement Yes, exactly. > And book as your only resource have massive drop put rates. People generally give up very soon. Yes, entirely correct. That's what something like Duolingo promises to solve and these obstacles (independent of Duolingo) are why people won't pick up a book or do other forms of self-learning instead. They want a service like Duolingo, because it promises to make learning more approachable and accessible and provides mental tricks to keep you engaged regularly and long-term. Which brings me around to my original argument: The article is framing it in this weirdly malicious way as if it isn't exactly what people wanted from a service like Duolingo. It's like turning a water boiler on and then getting upset that the water is hot. I thought that was the point?
- watwut 2y ago
  In that case I misunderstood your original sentence. I knee jerked, projecting something that was not present in your writing into it. So I apologize. For whatever it is worth, I know you did not wrote it, the "pick a textbook for language learning" meme is sort of my pet peeve. I kinda suspect that people saying it never learned foreign language.
  - Sakos 2y ago
    That's okay, I'm glad we could clear it up. I won't pretend that I have any idea how one would best learn a language and I don't know if Duolingo is effective at all. I just understand why people want services like it.