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I am kind of in awe of people who have this much trust in their browsers. I guess being raised on tech when just having a single OS session booted for longer th

I am kind of in awe of people who have this much trust in their browsers. I guess being raised on tech when just having a single OS session booted for longer than 8 hours was an achievement - it starts to train you to never trust these things. For instance on Windows 95, you would write something out in Word, go to save and then it is like the whole system was just day dreaming into a blue screen. That quick creates a behavior were you do not true the stability of anything. But I guess its not like that nowadays. The other day I checked the uptime on my system and it was 130 days and that is nothing abnormal. I feel like some people only reboot their systems on major OS updates. Like M1 Macbooks that have only been restarted 3 times. We take it for granted now.

bruce511 2y ago
Interestingly, since I installed a solar system, and hence got access to real-time electricity consumption, I now shut down my machine every night. To be fair I use it as a terminal to my work PC, which stays on, so it has very little "state" of its own. And it boots in 8 seconds. Both attributes which make this fast and convenient. This is a desktop not a laptop so it's as fast to shutdown as it is to hibernate so nothing failed from hibernation or sleep mode. It doesn't save a -lot- but it's saves enough that I can measure it. (Couple kw/h over 14 hours).
- compsciphd 2y ago
  that's an expensive desktop power wise (especially if used only as a "thin client"). Even 50w would be a lot for that. (I'd agree still measurable, but measuring in multiple kwh over only half a day, is mid tier gaming pc territory)
  - bruce511 2y ago
    I don't only use it as a thin client, that's just the "work day" case.
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    Eh, there are Zen+ APUs that'll use that much by themselves. I think you can expect 75W from any given full-size/wired PCIe slot. One can have a desktop that's as efficient as a laptop... but you lose part of the exchange; mobility for power. The consumption/heat is less of a concern, solar aside. Plenty of room for cooling and components :) I had a system that would idle at over 150W, not counting the three displays that cumulatively match that. Transceivers use mildly less power than 10GbE Ethernet... but still consume a bit of your budget.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  I tend to also shutdown m laptops most of the time, unless I have been interrupted while doing something that I plan to continue a while later. They boot so fast these days and in contradiction to the 7500 tabs user mentioned in the article, I like starting from a clean sheet.
hawski 2y ago
Simple Tab Groups makes backups to the download directory. I needed them once, to switch between computers, not because it failed on me.
bravetraveler 2y ago
Can't care to lose it if you place little stock in it, you know? Nice to have, not required! I do this, if I lost my dozens of windows with an order of magnitude more of contextual tabs... No matter. They're still in history, and partially, my memory. The Jira tickets or whatever begetting that information still remains. There is a reason calling for it, if that's lost in the process - hurray! This can be a good thing, too. For what truly matters, context can be recreated - the workspace was disrupted, that's it. That can happen to nearly anyone/anything. Singling out browser state is interesting. I'm in awe at the people who curate things to never look at them again. Eg: bookmarks. Maybe there's an exhibit I missed. I have no FOMO; there's plenty to mind. My position is aided by the fact that my operating system includes a window manager. I don't have to shuffle things, just get back to work. Window class "work-firefox" is always run on business day login, appearing on the assigned workspace
Izkata 2y ago
If something ever happens I can restore ~/.mozilla/ from backups and lose no more than a day, which includes all the tabs and addons to support having that many (Tree Style Tabs). It's been a very long time since I've had to do that though.

bruce511 2y ago

Interestingly, since I installed a solar system, and hence got access to real-time electricity consumption, I now shut down my machine every night. To be fair I use it as a terminal to my work PC, which stays on, so it has very little "state" of its own. And it boots in 8 seconds. Both attributes which make this fast and convenient. This is a desktop not a laptop so it's as fast to shutdown as it is to hibernate so nothing failed from hibernation or sleep mode. It doesn't save a -lot- but it's saves enough that I can measure it. (Couple kw/h over 14 hours).

compsciphd 2y ago
that's an expensive desktop power wise (especially if used only as a "thin client"). Even 50w would be a lot for that. (I'd agree still measurable, but measuring in multiple kwh over only half a day, is mid tier gaming pc territory)
- bruce511 2y ago
  I don't only use it as a thin client, that's just the "work day" case.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  Eh, there are Zen+ APUs that'll use that much by themselves. I think you can expect 75W from any given full-size/wired PCIe slot. One can have a desktop that's as efficient as a laptop... but you lose part of the exchange; mobility for power. The consumption/heat is less of a concern, solar aside. Plenty of room for cooling and components :) I had a system that would idle at over 150W, not counting the three displays that cumulatively match that. Transceivers use mildly less power than 10GbE Ethernet... but still consume a bit of your budget.
prmoustache 2y ago
I tend to also shutdown m laptops most of the time, unless I have been interrupted while doing something that I plan to continue a while later. They boot so fast these days and in contradiction to the 7500 tabs user mentioned in the article, I like starting from a clean sheet.

hawski 2y ago

Simple Tab Groups makes backups to the download directory. I needed them once, to switch between computers, not because it failed on me.

bravetraveler 2y ago

Can't care to lose it if you place little stock in it, you know? Nice to have, not required! I do this, if I lost my dozens of windows with an order of magnitude more of contextual tabs... No matter. They're still in history, and partially, my memory. The Jira tickets or whatever begetting that information still remains. There is a reason calling for it, if that's lost in the process - hurray! This can be a good thing, too. For what truly matters, context can be recreated - the workspace was disrupted, that's it. That can happen to nearly anyone/anything. Singling out browser state is interesting. I'm in awe at the people who curate things to never look at them again. Eg: bookmarks. Maybe there's an exhibit I missed. I have no FOMO; there's plenty to mind. My position is aided by the fact that my operating system includes a window manager. I don't have to shuffle things, just get back to work. Window class "work-firefox" is always run on business day login, appearing on the assigned workspace

Izkata 2y ago

If something ever happens I can restore ~/.mozilla/ from backups and lose no more than a day, which includes all the tabs and addons to support having that many (Tree Style Tabs). It's been a very long time since I've had to do that though.