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Both articles are about an obsession with peak human performance, 150 years later women do not excel in this regard and are not represented in the records, only

Both articles are about an obsession with peak human performance, 150 years later women do not excel in this regard and are not represented in the records, only in their own category, an adjective, nothing has fundamentally changed except categorization to accommodate. People appreciate it and the discipline involved, the context of “Olympic hero” based on what it aimed to showcase is still relevant today by that standard. That observation in and of itself is not misogyny.

bobthepanda 2y ago
The shooting competition got split into gendered competitions after the first woman won in 1992; women were then banned from competing in the formerly mixed event until 2000 when a separate women’s event was organized. https://olympics.com/en/news/zhang-shan-the-only-female-shooter-to-win-gold-in-a-mixed-competition https://olympics.com/en/news/zhang-shan-the-only-female-shoo...
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  way to go Zhang Shan, that seems tangentially relevant to the statement. Its own independent issue about the subsequent split, not changing anything about my statement in a scatterplot of all absolute records, and nothing to do with whether a statement in 1869 was misogyny.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
Do you know who wins all the marathons? People in wheelchairs. It's not even close. They have to put them in a different category from the, um, able-bodied people, so that the able-bodied can also win.
- lo_zamoyski 2y ago
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  - JeraldFut 2y ago
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- mcmoor 2y ago
  Are we sure? I think if you put able-bodied people on wheelchairs they'd win even harder.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Maybe not - they wouldn't have the higher arm-strength-to-weight ratio that wheelchair athletes have.
    - mcmoor 2y ago
      If it becomes official, there may be at least 3 who trained hard enough to get all the medals. Actually, can able-bodied person compete in paralympic that they have no inherent advantage?
SenHeng 2y ago
You can't beat biology. The world record for the women's 100m sprint was set in 1988 at 10.49s by Florence Joyner at 29. [0] High school boys in the US easily beat those times. [1] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics#Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athle... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field#Boys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_sch...
- pedrosorio 2y ago
  A very small subset of high school boys. I bet you’ve never run close to that time.
dj_gitmo 2y ago
I don’t understand what point you are trying to make. Are you saying women should be exactly the same as men?
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  No, and that this observation is not misogyny.
lo_zamoyski 2y ago
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- ozgrakkurt 2y ago
  Makes sense, can you give some examples of sports that women outperform men by a significant margin?
  - defrost 2y ago
    Not a sport, but the occupation of free diving to gather food, pearls, etc. was dominated by women who physically performed better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo Because so many families relied on the haenyeo for the majority of their income, a semi-matriarchal society developed on Jeju with the haenyeo at the head of the household. On the tiny islets off the coast of Jeju, such as Mara Island, where sea-diving was the sole source of income, this reversal of traditional gender roles was fully realized; men would look after the children and go shopping while the women would bring in money for the family. and: https://strangersguide.com/articles/haenyeo-divers/ https://strangersguide.com/articles/haenyeo-divers/ for generations, haenyeo—or sea women—have supported men and children by free-diving to the ocean floor, harvesting such prized sea creatures as conches, abalones and sea cucumbers to supply the local economy. When Jeju men were called out to other seas or lands to fight wars, or languished in prison, the haenyeos of Jeju Island found an opportunity near home, off the choppy waters of the island’s coast. Haenyeo women went under water more than 100 times a day, as low as 65 feet under, grabbing precious sea treasures with their bare hands, trading them for money that would be used to feed and clothe their families, pay for their children’s college education and pay off the steep taxes and fishery fees formerly imposed by the Japanese colonial government.

bobthepanda 2y ago

The shooting competition got split into gendered competitions after the first woman won in 1992; women were then banned from competing in the formerly mixed event until 2000 when a separate women’s event was organized. https://olympics.com/en/news/zhang-shan-the-only-female-shooter-to-win-gold-in-a-mixed-competition https://olympics.com/en/news/zhang-shan-the-only-female-shoo...

yieldcrv 2y ago
way to go Zhang Shan, that seems tangentially relevant to the statement. Its own independent issue about the subsequent split, not changing anything about my statement in a scatterplot of all absolute records, and nothing to do with whether a statement in 1869 was misogyny.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

Do you know who wins all the marathons? People in wheelchairs. It's not even close. They have to put them in a different category from the, um, able-bodied people, so that the able-bodied can also win.

lo_zamoyski 2y ago
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- JeraldFut 2y ago
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mcmoor 2y ago
Are we sure? I think if you put able-bodied people on wheelchairs they'd win even harder.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Maybe not - they wouldn't have the higher arm-strength-to-weight ratio that wheelchair athletes have.
  - mcmoor 2y ago
    If it becomes official, there may be at least 3 who trained hard enough to get all the medals. Actually, can able-bodied person compete in paralympic that they have no inherent advantage?

SenHeng 2y ago

You can't beat biology. The world record for the women's 100m sprint was set in 1988 at 10.49s by Florence Joyner at 29. [0] High school boys in the US easily beat those times. [1] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics#Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athle... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field#Boys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_sch...

pedrosorio 2y ago
A very small subset of high school boys. I bet you’ve never run close to that time.

dj_gitmo 2y ago

I don’t understand what point you are trying to make. Are you saying women should be exactly the same as men?

yieldcrv 2y ago
No, and that this observation is not misogyny.

lo_zamoyski 2y ago

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ozgrakkurt 2y ago
Makes sense, can you give some examples of sports that women outperform men by a significant margin?
- defrost 2y ago
  Not a sport, but the occupation of free diving to gather food, pearls, etc. was dominated by women who physically performed better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenyeo Because so many families relied on the haenyeo for the majority of their income, a semi-matriarchal society developed on Jeju with the haenyeo at the head of the household. On the tiny islets off the coast of Jeju, such as Mara Island, where sea-diving was the sole source of income, this reversal of traditional gender roles was fully realized; men would look after the children and go shopping while the women would bring in money for the family. and: https://strangersguide.com/articles/haenyeo-divers/ https://strangersguide.com/articles/haenyeo-divers/ for generations, haenyeo—or sea women—have supported men and children by free-diving to the ocean floor, harvesting such prized sea creatures as conches, abalones and sea cucumbers to supply the local economy. When Jeju men were called out to other seas or lands to fight wars, or languished in prison, the haenyeos of Jeju Island found an opportunity near home, off the choppy waters of the island’s coast. Haenyeo women went under water more than 100 times a day, as low as 65 feet under, grabbing precious sea treasures with their bare hands, trading them for money that would be used to feed and clothe their families, pay for their children’s college education and pay off the steep taxes and fishery fees formerly imposed by the Japanese colonial government.