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Presumably those young people forced to work their asses off 6 days/week will be even less inclined to become parents, further compounding the problem. Trying t

by Qem 2y ago

Presumably those young people forced to work their asses off 6 days/week will be even less inclined to become parents, further compounding the problem. Trying to solve lack of workers due to sub-replacement fertility by squeezing more workhours of people that already can't afford children is like ship captains trying to solve the iceberg problem by speeding through areas known to contain them.

carlosjobim 2y ago
> Presumably those young people forced to work their asses off 6 days/week will be even less inclined to become parents, further compounding the problem. That's not a problem, that's the purpose of the current economical and political order in industrialized nations, whether they are capitalist, communist or mixed. After all the horrors of the 20th century, including both world wars, it is not as easy anymore to trick the youth of the world to die on the battlefields, so the rulers have to device other means to get rid of the younger generations.
- Lammy 2y ago
  Relevant: John D. Rockefeller Ⅲ presents “An Interim Report to the President and the Congress from the Commission on Population Growth and the American Future” https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED050960.pdf#page=10 https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED050960.pdf#page=10 (1971)
dzhiurgis 2y ago
+ additional immigration adds more pressure to housing crisis...
- Qem 2y ago
  Immigration probably makes housing more affordable, as building still a labour intensive activity, and immigration reduces labour costs. We have car assembling robots, but not house building robots, or plumber robots. But we can't count on migration on the long term anyway, as countries with current net positive population growth rates are on the way to go sub-replacement in 1-2 generations as well. Housing unaffordability should be pinned on NIMBY, bias against high density housing, and the decades long push to optimize housing as a rent-seeking friendly investment vehicle instead of simple dwellings. Today if you intend to buy an apartment in a high cost city, odds are that you must not only outbid people wanting to live there as well, but also rich people overseas that invest in real state as a way to stash money offshore and/or evade taxes.
  - devvvvvvv 2y ago
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  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    > Immigration probably makes housing more affordable It would if you'd import actual builders (which is strictly regulated industry). Instead we (NZ) get IT specialists (like me, lol) and if you are lucky - occasional nurse.

by Qem 2y ago

carlosjobim 2y ago

> Presumably those young people forced to work their asses off 6 days/week will be even less inclined to become parents, further compounding the problem. That's not a problem, that's the purpose of the current economical and political order in industrialized nations, whether they are capitalist, communist or mixed. After all the horrors of the 20th century, including both world wars, it is not as easy anymore to trick the youth of the world to die on the battlefields, so the rulers have to device other means to get rid of the younger generations.

Lammy 2y ago
Relevant: John D. Rockefeller Ⅲ presents “An Interim Report to the President and the Congress from the Commission on Population Growth and the American Future” https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED050960.pdf#page=10 https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED050960.pdf#page=10 (1971)

dzhiurgis 2y ago

+ additional immigration adds more pressure to housing crisis...

Qem 2y ago
Immigration probably makes housing more affordable, as building still a labour intensive activity, and immigration reduces labour costs. We have car assembling robots, but not house building robots, or plumber robots. But we can't count on migration on the long term anyway, as countries with current net positive population growth rates are on the way to go sub-replacement in 1-2 generations as well. Housing unaffordability should be pinned on NIMBY, bias against high density housing, and the decades long push to optimize housing as a rent-seeking friendly investment vehicle instead of simple dwellings. Today if you intend to buy an apartment in a high cost city, odds are that you must not only outbid people wanting to live there as well, but also rich people overseas that invest in real state as a way to stash money offshore and/or evade taxes.
- devvvvvvv 2y ago
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- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  > Immigration probably makes housing more affordable It would if you'd import actual builders (which is strictly regulated industry). Instead we (NZ) get IT specialists (like me, lol) and if you are lucky - occasional nurse.