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Same insanity at Google. Doesn't matter that you are the only team member at this location, it's 3 mandatory days per week in office, or else your VP starts ge

Same insanity at Google. Doesn't matter that you are the only team member at this location, it's 3 mandatory days per week in office, or else your VP starts getting notifications. A cherry on top, HR scripts don't properly account for partial vacation weeks, so if you have 3 vacation days in a week, you are still supposed to be in office 3 days a week, or else your VP gets notified.

ruined 2y ago
let them get notifications
- NewJazz 2y ago
  Create filter rule > skip inbox lol
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Interview for remote roles from the office.
faizshah 2y ago
Same at Amazon, 0 teammates out of the 100+ on my product work at my office or in my timezone but I have to badge into it because they don’t allow virtual positions anymore. So now I have to spend 2.5 hours commuting, worse mood, I'm less flexible for meetings… If you’re wondering why I stay, it’s cause Amazon was my first real Software job, I started as an intern in 2020 and was always remote. I’m on a team that rapidly grew during covid and I happen to have been on the team the longest so it’s hard for me to find a position with an equivalent staff level scope with my level of experience.
- VectorLock 2y ago
  Pay somebody to badge in/out for you. If none of your team mates are in the office, who will notice?
  - glimshe 2y ago
    Google is installing face recognition on some offices to prevent this trick.
  - mandeepj 2y ago
    So, you are asking OP to get a dupe badge or ship their badge to someone else? If latter, what if OP needs their badge? Proxy entries can be easily validated through camera. It’s all asking for a trouble for a small short term benefit
    - VectorLock 2y ago
      Saving 2.5 hours a day I wouldn't classify as a "small short term benefit."
  - ridiculous_leke 2y ago
    Isn't that ID fraud?
    - mattgreenrocks 2y ago
      That connotes lawlessness unnecessarily. These are just companies trying to enforce stupid rules.
      - missedthecue 2y ago
        You won't be thrown into prison for it, but it's a fireable offense. Isn't that worth noting?
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        Being a worker is a fireable offense. Don’t do this, but also don’t pretend you have any safety whatsoever just because you follow master’s rules. Your working relationship is tenuous in perpetuity.
    - kelseyfrog 2y ago
- jononor 2y ago
  I sure hope you are taking those 2.5 hours out of your working hours. They are the ones that are forcing you to do this. If they think it's worth it, fine - but it has to go out of the time they pay you for - not your free time.
  - episteme 2y ago
    Then you have 2.5 hours less to get work done compared to everyone else you are competing with at your performance review. This hurts you more than it hurts them.
    - ycombinatrix 2y ago
      Spending an extra 2.5 hours at work doesn't hurt you?
- bradknowles 2y ago
  The RTO requirement at Amazon was the penultimate straw for me. The final straw was when we got the word that we would be required to move so that we would be co-located with our management in the HQ2 offices, or we would have to find alternative employment elsewhere. We weren’t given a timeframe on when that was going to happen, but based on the timeframe I saw from the announcement of RTO to the enforcement of RTO, I knew it wouldn’t be long. So, I chose to leave as quickly as possible. I gave my manager early warning that I was actively looking for alternative employment, and I kept him appraised of how the interview process was going, and then how the decision process was going, and then how the hiring paperwork process was going. When everything was finalized, he then got my official two weeks notice. That was also when I told a few people inside the company that I was leaving and where I was going, but my official notification to the team wasn’t made until my actual final day — my manager requested that he be the one to make that announcement. During my final two weeks, my manager also told me that he decided to also leave, and move back to India. I don’t know if he was forced out because too many people had left the team within the past year, or if it was truly a personal decision. But I do know we lost a lot of good people. So, RTO is not the worst thing that can be done to you by your employer. Wait until they force you to move to be co-located with your manager and the rest of whatever team remains. And all without any kind of assistance with the moving costs, because you’re just that damn lucky to still have a job at all. But that’s the Amazon way. RTO, forced co-location, stack ranking, unregretted attrition, the whole nine yards. Humans really are one hundred percent disposable if you work at Amazon.
sidewndr46 2y ago
That's understandable after all. It's an advertising company, not a tech company. Small details like vacation aren't really something they can account for.
thn-gap 2y ago
Most teams in Europe either don't care, or can't use the badging data to affect performance because whatever local laws. I'm glad that for once they didn't fully enforce policies worldwide because some VP in the US is butthurt that their reports don't want to show up at the office.
polotics 2y ago
What about the coffee-badging? That is, turning-up for one hour or so at a convenient time of those three days, maybe getting lunch with colleagues, and working the rest while in commute or at home...
- bradknowles 2y ago
  They are also tracking when you badge in for the first time in the day, and when you badge out for the last time, and all the times in between. Because of course you have to badge out and back in again to go to the bathroom or the cafe. This tracking is reported all the way down to your immediate manager on a weekly basis. Or, at least it was back when I worked at Amazon.
  - polotics 2y ago
    Ok but this is only Amazon's SOP of mistreating employees as a trauma-bonding technique, right? I don't think this is industry-wide at all.
    - bradknowles 2y ago
      Amazon is certainly not the only company to do RTO. Nor are they the only company to do stack ranking. Nor are they the only company to do “hire for firing”, which is what unregretted attrition is basically about. So far, they do seem to be the only company I’ve heard of so far that is doing the forced co-location with your management, specifically for people who were hired as remote and promised that they could stay remote. I’m sure they have some other practices that may be common amongst other companies, and probably some that are not common amongst other companies. But in terms of the main ones I mentioned, there is a great deal of overlap.

ruined 2y ago

let them get notifications

NewJazz 2y ago
Create filter rule > skip inbox lol
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Interview for remote roles from the office.

faizshah 2y ago

Same at Amazon, 0 teammates out of the 100+ on my product work at my office or in my timezone but I have to badge into it because they don’t allow virtual positions anymore. So now I have to spend 2.5 hours commuting, worse mood, I'm less flexible for meetings… If you’re wondering why I stay, it’s cause Amazon was my first real Software job, I started as an intern in 2020 and was always remote. I’m on a team that rapidly grew during covid and I happen to have been on the team the longest so it’s hard for me to find a position with an equivalent staff level scope with my level of experience.

VectorLock 2y ago
Pay somebody to badge in/out for you. If none of your team mates are in the office, who will notice?
- glimshe 2y ago
  Google is installing face recognition on some offices to prevent this trick.
- mandeepj 2y ago
  So, you are asking OP to get a dupe badge or ship their badge to someone else? If latter, what if OP needs their badge? Proxy entries can be easily validated through camera. It’s all asking for a trouble for a small short term benefit
  - VectorLock 2y ago
    Saving 2.5 hours a day I wouldn't classify as a "small short term benefit."
- ridiculous_leke 2y ago
  Isn't that ID fraud?
  - mattgreenrocks 2y ago
    That connotes lawlessness unnecessarily. These are just companies trying to enforce stupid rules.
    - missedthecue 2y ago
      You won't be thrown into prison for it, but it's a fireable offense. Isn't that worth noting?
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        Being a worker is a fireable offense. Don’t do this, but also don’t pretend you have any safety whatsoever just because you follow master’s rules. Your working relationship is tenuous in perpetuity.
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
jononor 2y ago
I sure hope you are taking those 2.5 hours out of your working hours. They are the ones that are forcing you to do this. If they think it's worth it, fine - but it has to go out of the time they pay you for - not your free time.
- episteme 2y ago
  Then you have 2.5 hours less to get work done compared to everyone else you are competing with at your performance review. This hurts you more than it hurts them.
  - ycombinatrix 2y ago
    Spending an extra 2.5 hours at work doesn't hurt you?
bradknowles 2y ago
The RTO requirement at Amazon was the penultimate straw for me. The final straw was when we got the word that we would be required to move so that we would be co-located with our management in the HQ2 offices, or we would have to find alternative employment elsewhere. We weren’t given a timeframe on when that was going to happen, but based on the timeframe I saw from the announcement of RTO to the enforcement of RTO, I knew it wouldn’t be long. So, I chose to leave as quickly as possible. I gave my manager early warning that I was actively looking for alternative employment, and I kept him appraised of how the interview process was going, and then how the decision process was going, and then how the hiring paperwork process was going. When everything was finalized, he then got my official two weeks notice. That was also when I told a few people inside the company that I was leaving and where I was going, but my official notification to the team wasn’t made until my actual final day — my manager requested that he be the one to make that announcement. During my final two weeks, my manager also told me that he decided to also leave, and move back to India. I don’t know if he was forced out because too many people had left the team within the past year, or if it was truly a personal decision. But I do know we lost a lot of good people. So, RTO is not the worst thing that can be done to you by your employer. Wait until they force you to move to be co-located with your manager and the rest of whatever team remains. And all without any kind of assistance with the moving costs, because you’re just that damn lucky to still have a job at all. But that’s the Amazon way. RTO, forced co-location, stack ranking, unregretted attrition, the whole nine yards. Humans really are one hundred percent disposable if you work at Amazon.

sidewndr46 2y ago

That's understandable after all. It's an advertising company, not a tech company. Small details like vacation aren't really something they can account for.

thn-gap 2y ago

Most teams in Europe either don't care, or can't use the badging data to affect performance because whatever local laws. I'm glad that for once they didn't fully enforce policies worldwide because some VP in the US is butthurt that their reports don't want to show up at the office.

polotics 2y ago

What about the coffee-badging? That is, turning-up for one hour or so at a convenient time of those three days, maybe getting lunch with colleagues, and working the rest while in commute or at home...

bradknowles 2y ago
They are also tracking when you badge in for the first time in the day, and when you badge out for the last time, and all the times in between. Because of course you have to badge out and back in again to go to the bathroom or the cafe. This tracking is reported all the way down to your immediate manager on a weekly basis. Or, at least it was back when I worked at Amazon.
- polotics 2y ago
  Ok but this is only Amazon's SOP of mistreating employees as a trauma-bonding technique, right? I don't think this is industry-wide at all.
  - bradknowles 2y ago
    Amazon is certainly not the only company to do RTO. Nor are they the only company to do stack ranking. Nor are they the only company to do “hire for firing”, which is what unregretted attrition is basically about. So far, they do seem to be the only company I’ve heard of so far that is doing the forced co-location with your management, specifically for people who were hired as remote and promised that they could stay remote. I’m sure they have some other practices that may be common amongst other companies, and probably some that are not common amongst other companies. But in terms of the main ones I mentioned, there is a great deal of overlap.