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> Waiting around is pointless. The most resilient people find ways to avoid it and have actual hobbies and lives to live. This entire article just sounds like w

by ghusto 2y ago

> Waiting around is pointless. The most resilient people find ways to avoid it and have actual hobbies and lives to live. This entire article just sounds like weird propaganda promoting a very confused perspective. Removing everything you don't like from life is not good for you. Having everything you want is not good for you.

trealira 2y ago
No one gets everything they want in life, though, even with less waiting around. That seems like a strange line of reasoning.
Der_Einzige 2y ago
Max Stirner tried to warn the world about people like you, but no one listened then and they still don’t listen today.
consteval 2y ago
Well, why not? I don't understand this prevailing perspective in highly individualistic societies that pain is good. If you can achieve the same result without the pain why is that so bad? When does it become progress? If I can be healthy just by taking a pill a day as opposed to dying, what's the harm? Lives are saved and that's... bad... somehow? If I can get my nick nacks without going to the store what's the harm? Sometimes things are too good to be true. But most of the time, things really are just good. They are just better. You do just progress forward. That's why I can write you this comment instead of writing a letter and waiting weeks for a response. Why did we give that up? Isn't waiting painful, and therefore good? I don't think so.
- ghusto 2y ago
  > If I can be healthy just by taking a pill a day as opposed to dying, what's the harm? Lives are saved and that's... bad... somehow? No, that's great! Despite what some of the comments claim, I'm not saying "suffering FTW!". I'm saying that working towards goals is literally in our DNA, and getting everything you want won't make you happy. Your letter example is a good one. On the one hand, it's incredible that I can communicate with many people at once across the world from my desk. The benefits are obvious. What's not so obvious are the benefits of having to write letters in the old days: When you have to spend so much effort in communication, it's worth much more to you. You take more time, think about what you're saying more, and most importantly; feel much higher rewards. Low effort, low returns.
hnfong 2y ago
Sure, you don't always get everything you want. That's part of life. But actively seeking or allowing things that make you feel genuinely bad? That's a bit messed up, TBH. ... and telling others to do so? Well :-/

by ghusto 2y ago

trealira 2y ago

No one gets everything they want in life, though, even with less waiting around. That seems like a strange line of reasoning.

Der_Einzige 2y ago

Max Stirner tried to warn the world about people like you, but no one listened then and they still don’t listen today.

consteval 2y ago

Well, why not? I don't understand this prevailing perspective in highly individualistic societies that pain is good. If you can achieve the same result without the pain why is that so bad? When does it become progress? If I can be healthy just by taking a pill a day as opposed to dying, what's the harm? Lives are saved and that's... bad... somehow? If I can get my nick nacks without going to the store what's the harm? Sometimes things are too good to be true. But most of the time, things really are just good. They are just better. You do just progress forward. That's why I can write you this comment instead of writing a letter and waiting weeks for a response. Why did we give that up? Isn't waiting painful, and therefore good? I don't think so.

ghusto 2y ago
> If I can be healthy just by taking a pill a day as opposed to dying, what's the harm? Lives are saved and that's... bad... somehow? No, that's great! Despite what some of the comments claim, I'm not saying "suffering FTW!". I'm saying that working towards goals is literally in our DNA, and getting everything you want won't make you happy. Your letter example is a good one. On the one hand, it's incredible that I can communicate with many people at once across the world from my desk. The benefits are obvious. What's not so obvious are the benefits of having to write letters in the old days: When you have to spend so much effort in communication, it's worth much more to you. You take more time, think about what you're saying more, and most importantly; feel much higher rewards. Low effort, low returns.

hnfong 2y ago

Sure, you don't always get everything you want. That's part of life. But actively seeking or allowing things that make you feel genuinely bad? That's a bit messed up, TBH. ... and telling others to do so? Well :-/