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I have no idea what you are referencing on wikipedia. If you think it isn't lies, then you accept he's not very intelligent or at least illogical. The simples

I have no idea what you are referencing on wikipedia. If you think it isn't lies, then you accept he's not very intelligent or at least illogical. The simplest answer is he's voicing his ultimate vision for a product without basis in reality like the solar powered roadster, robotaxis, etx. It's marketing and the result is the same whether he lies or not, only distinction is if he's mentally handicapped or dishonest.

mattmaroon 2y ago
He makes a lot of predictions about what he thinks he will be able to accomplish in the future, many of them people think won’t happen, and then they do. That’s the reality distortion field. The Steve Jobs bio covered it well. People often think things can’t work, even past the point at which they do. Like a smart phone with no keyboard. I do not think he’s always truthful by any means. But a failed prediction is not a lie. as the great George Costanza once said, it’s not a lie if you believe it.
- whoitwas 2y ago
  Elon Musk inherited Steve Jobs' distortion field? Did you pass it to him? It's marketing. You're making things very complicated and distorting reality.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > many of them people think won’t happen, and then they do Not all that many.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    I mean, he said he could put rockets in space much cheaper than the governments and defense contractors and he did. He said he could build the first new American car company in several decades and get people to want to drive electric cars, both of which seemed insane at the time, and he did. He’s always overly-optimistic about cost and timeline and he’s got a whole host of issues due to his mental illness but the dude did do several extremely impressive things that nobody thought would happen. Compared to what he has accomplished you can understand how “a car can drive itself without LIDAR” seems easily believable. It may be wrong, but it’s not as hard to imagine as Starlink was ten years ago.
JohnFen 2y ago
> If you think it isn't lies, then you accept he's not very intelligent or at least illogical. Or delusional. I think he's a smart guy. I don't think he's remotely as smart as he thinks he is, but smart nonetheless. So calling him a willful liar is, in my view, giving him the benefit of the doubt because the other explanations are even worse.

mattmaroon 2y ago

He makes a lot of predictions about what he thinks he will be able to accomplish in the future, many of them people think won’t happen, and then they do. That’s the reality distortion field. The Steve Jobs bio covered it well. People often think things can’t work, even past the point at which they do. Like a smart phone with no keyboard. I do not think he’s always truthful by any means. But a failed prediction is not a lie. as the great George Costanza once said, it’s not a lie if you believe it.

whoitwas 2y ago
Elon Musk inherited Steve Jobs' distortion field? Did you pass it to him? It's marketing. You're making things very complicated and distorting reality.
JohnFen 2y ago
> many of them people think won’t happen, and then they do Not all that many.
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  I mean, he said he could put rockets in space much cheaper than the governments and defense contractors and he did. He said he could build the first new American car company in several decades and get people to want to drive electric cars, both of which seemed insane at the time, and he did. He’s always overly-optimistic about cost and timeline and he’s got a whole host of issues due to his mental illness but the dude did do several extremely impressive things that nobody thought would happen. Compared to what he has accomplished you can understand how “a car can drive itself without LIDAR” seems easily believable. It may be wrong, but it’s not as hard to imagine as Starlink was ten years ago.

JohnFen 2y ago

> If you think it isn't lies, then you accept he's not very intelligent or at least illogical. Or delusional. I think he's a smart guy. I don't think he's remotely as smart as he thinks he is, but smart nonetheless. So calling him a willful liar is, in my view, giving him the benefit of the doubt because the other explanations are even worse.