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A policy declaring some abstract right going to do very little. Most people can agree that more housing development is necessarily and desirable, in an abstract

by em500 2y ago

A policy declaring some abstract right going to do very little. Most people can agree that more housing development is necessarily and desirable, in an abstract sense, or even on a national level. But when it comes to any specific location it's usually "but not in this neighborhood". Since this happens pretty much near every place that is at somewhat desirable to live (usually in/near large cities in developed countries) and consequently already have many people living there and we get the current outcome. This is the same story all across cities in Europe, Northern America and developed Asia/Oceania nowadays.

rwmj 2y ago
I've never been to Australia but I was under the impression it's an enormous country (compared to its population) and mostly empty. It seems odd that NIMBYism would be an issue.
- defrost 2y ago
  It's not a room to build crisis, it's an actual shortage of housing ... That aside, Australia's vast spaces are largely "brown" on Google Maps from lack of water and limited vegetation, the European descent and overseas born (25% of current Australian citizens) mostly cling to the fringes of the land, earning the sobriquet Fringe Dwellers from Australian poet & playwright Jack Davis, AM, BEM.
- em500 2y ago
  That's like saying that NIMBYism is odd in the US because there's tons of empty land in Wyoming. People want to live in or near Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or Perth, not in the Outback.
  - rwmj 2y ago
    But Sydney &c were once empty pieces of land. There seems to be space to start new towns and cities.
- averageRoyalty 2y ago
  It may not be obvious but (like in most countries) people in Australia mostly live near cities with jobs, infrastructure, etc. Various satellite cities (Geelong, Wollongong) have built up via incentive schemes, but most people don't want to live that far from their friends and families, let alone in the red desert.

by em500 2y ago

rwmj 2y ago

I've never been to Australia but I was under the impression it's an enormous country (compared to its population) and mostly empty. It seems odd that NIMBYism would be an issue.

defrost 2y ago
It's not a room to build crisis, it's an actual shortage of housing ... That aside, Australia's vast spaces are largely "brown" on Google Maps from lack of water and limited vegetation, the European descent and overseas born (25% of current Australian citizens) mostly cling to the fringes of the land, earning the sobriquet Fringe Dwellers from Australian poet & playwright Jack Davis, AM, BEM.
em500 2y ago
That's like saying that NIMBYism is odd in the US because there's tons of empty land in Wyoming. People want to live in or near Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or Perth, not in the Outback.
- rwmj 2y ago
  But Sydney &c were once empty pieces of land. There seems to be space to start new towns and cities.
averageRoyalty 2y ago
It may not be obvious but (like in most countries) people in Australia mostly live near cities with jobs, infrastructure, etc. Various satellite cities (Geelong, Wollongong) have built up via incentive schemes, but most people don't want to live that far from their friends and families, let alone in the red desert.