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I’m not a fan of the control, but this is the free market at work. Nothing stops you or any other company from creating a competing phone with its own app ecosy

by rand_r 2y ago

I’m not a fan of the control, but this is the free market at work. Nothing stops you or any other company from creating a competing phone with its own app ecosystem. It’s really not for the government to dictate to companies how their products can work. It’s up to consumers to choose the products they want to use.

j45 2y ago
I'm not sure if it's a free market when it's a private control. Life before app stores was a free market. And there was choice between app stores, and not. Not so much anymore. Convenience of an app store did bring an audience.
- Angostura 2y ago
  Before app stores you couldn’t put apps on your phone
  - Timon3 2y ago
    Of course you could put apps on phones before app stores. Distribution etc. was harder, and most applications were much more limited (especially due to worse performance, network connection, and limited input methods), but a whole industry existed - there were even communities around "jailbreaking" and so on.
    - Angostura 2y ago
      and you can still jailbreak now if you want to. But even with a jailbreak, I’m not sure there apps, as opposed to tweaks that you could put on the iPhone.
      - Timon3 2y ago
        > and you can still jailbreak now if you want to. I can currently only jailbreak an iPhone due to mistakes made by Apple. It's conceivable that it won't be possible at some future point - though I'm not sure how this is relevant towards your earlier point? > But even with a jailbreak, I’m not sure there apps, as opposed to tweaks that you could put on the iPhone. There have been very limited workarounds on iPhones to enable sideloading, e.g. AltStore. These repositories are exactly the kind of apps you're looking for. But again, not sure how this is relevant towards your earlier point?
- rand_r 2y ago
  It’s a free market because buying an iPhone is a choice. It happens to be an incredible product, so may not feel like a choice, but the experience was designed by one company and put into the market as an offering. Apple has no control over your bank account and you have no control over Apple. You are both free to engage with each other or not.
  - j45 2y ago
    iPhone is a choice. Smartphones or digital literacy increasingly are not optional when it comes to accessing services in society including government. Apple will have a bank account one day. If X becomes the super app it’s aiming to be, it will be interesting to see how that plays out in North America.
lyu07282 2y ago
we are ruled by people that share the same infantile and delusional faith in free markets, let that sink in

by rand_r 2y ago

j45 2y ago

I'm not sure if it's a free market when it's a private control. Life before app stores was a free market. And there was choice between app stores, and not. Not so much anymore. Convenience of an app store did bring an audience.

Angostura 2y ago
Before app stores you couldn’t put apps on your phone
- Timon3 2y ago
  Of course you could put apps on phones before app stores. Distribution etc. was harder, and most applications were much more limited (especially due to worse performance, network connection, and limited input methods), but a whole industry existed - there were even communities around "jailbreaking" and so on.
  - Angostura 2y ago
    and you can still jailbreak now if you want to. But even with a jailbreak, I’m not sure there apps, as opposed to tweaks that you could put on the iPhone.
    - Timon3 2y ago
      > and you can still jailbreak now if you want to. I can currently only jailbreak an iPhone due to mistakes made by Apple. It's conceivable that it won't be possible at some future point - though I'm not sure how this is relevant towards your earlier point? > But even with a jailbreak, I’m not sure there apps, as opposed to tweaks that you could put on the iPhone. There have been very limited workarounds on iPhones to enable sideloading, e.g. AltStore. These repositories are exactly the kind of apps you're looking for. But again, not sure how this is relevant towards your earlier point?
rand_r 2y ago
It’s a free market because buying an iPhone is a choice. It happens to be an incredible product, so may not feel like a choice, but the experience was designed by one company and put into the market as an offering. Apple has no control over your bank account and you have no control over Apple. You are both free to engage with each other or not.
- j45 2y ago
  iPhone is a choice. Smartphones or digital literacy increasingly are not optional when it comes to accessing services in society including government. Apple will have a bank account one day. If X becomes the super app it’s aiming to be, it will be interesting to see how that plays out in North America.

lyu07282 2y ago

we are ruled by people that share the same infantile and delusional faith in free markets, let that sink in