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Absolutely the hell not. Secret ballots are integral to free and fair elections. Once you lose anonymity, you open the door to a whole host of other issues, inc

Absolutely the hell not. Secret ballots are integral to free and fair elections. Once you lose anonymity, you open the door to a whole host of other issues, including the obvious potential for political oppression.

patrick451 2y ago
Anonymous elections aren't working either.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  So, throw out the baby with the bath water?
  - mbrumlow 2y ago
    Yes.
osigurdson 2y ago
Everything is a tradeoff. It would be better than the current situation. Difficult to politically oppress wide swaths of the population on a person by person basis. Furthermore, voting regions are not anonymous (in some systems at least), why not simply oppress entire regions?
- brendoelfrendo 2y ago
  Which current situation are we referring to here? In Venezuela, if every vote were tied to a specific identified person, their government could still ignore that and doctor the result. The only thing that changes is that now there is a list of opposition voters in the hands of a hostile government. If the goal is to allow individuals to audit their vote and ensure that the government counted it correctly, it is possible to do that without compromising anonymity. If the goal is to release a public list of every person who voted and who they voted for... I think you're insane and drastically underestimate the capacity for voter coercion and political violence.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  > Difficult to politically oppress wide swaths of the population on a person by person basis In the Brazilian Old Republic (pre-1930), that was widely practiced. Historians call it "voto de cabresto" (loosely translated to "halter vote"). > why not simply oppress entire regions? That's what in Brazil is called a "curral eleitoral" ("electoral corral"). The latter still exists and I imagine exists in many countries. Its effectiveness is highly curbed with anonymous voting though. In the Old Republic, where voting was not anonymous, the electoral corral combined with the halter vote meant very few people were free to vote according to their wish. Local oppression is a powerful tool.

patrick451 2y ago

Anonymous elections aren't working either.

cassianoleal 2y ago
So, throw out the baby with the bath water?
- mbrumlow 2y ago
  Yes.

osigurdson 2y ago

Everything is a tradeoff. It would be better than the current situation. Difficult to politically oppress wide swaths of the population on a person by person basis. Furthermore, voting regions are not anonymous (in some systems at least), why not simply oppress entire regions?

brendoelfrendo 2y ago
Which current situation are we referring to here? In Venezuela, if every vote were tied to a specific identified person, their government could still ignore that and doctor the result. The only thing that changes is that now there is a list of opposition voters in the hands of a hostile government. If the goal is to allow individuals to audit their vote and ensure that the government counted it correctly, it is possible to do that without compromising anonymity. If the goal is to release a public list of every person who voted and who they voted for... I think you're insane and drastically underestimate the capacity for voter coercion and political violence.
cassianoleal 2y ago
> Difficult to politically oppress wide swaths of the population on a person by person basis In the Brazilian Old Republic (pre-1930), that was widely practiced. Historians call it "voto de cabresto" (loosely translated to "halter vote"). > why not simply oppress entire regions? That's what in Brazil is called a "curral eleitoral" ("electoral corral"). The latter still exists and I imagine exists in many countries. Its effectiveness is highly curbed with anonymous voting though. In the Old Republic, where voting was not anonymous, the electoral corral combined with the halter vote meant very few people were free to vote according to their wish. Local oppression is a powerful tool.