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StarBook 7 14" Linux Laptop with Intel Core Ultra 7, 4K, Up to 96GB 5.6GHz RAM

40 points by mrusme 2y ago

mrusme 2y ago
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littlecosmic 2y ago
The are sold out
- Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
  Hey, Odin here from Starlabs! I tried to push the website live on Friday but we didn't get the product pics in time. Sean (Foudner) pushed the updates live over the weekend, this is why its now visible. I am soon to make a few announcements across our platforms and open orders. (We haven't sold out, we haven't opened orders yet). Our ecom site displays it as "Sold out" but that's not the case, we haven't started orders yet. Hope this helps clear up some confusion. Best Odin
normie3000 2y ago
Looks nice. Does anyone know how the keyboard feels compared to ThinkPad?
- Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
  Hey, Odin here from Starlabs! I tried to push the website live on Friday but we didn't get the product pics in time. Sean (Foudner) pushed the updates live over the weekend, this is why its now visible. I am soon to make a few announcements across our platforms and open orders. (We haven't sold out, we haven't opened orders yet). Our ecom site displays it as "Sold out" but that's not the case, we haven't started orders yet. Hope this helps clear up some confusion. Best Odin
  - Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
    replied to the wrong comment, sorry
- Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
  Hey, the Keyboard will be the same as the Starbook MK V and Starbook MK VI. I could possibly send over the specs sheet. Will ask Best Odin
  - bismillah11111 2y ago
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willcipriano 2y ago
5 ghz (across 8 of its 16 cores) cpu, the 5.6 is the ram. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236851/intel-core-ultra-7-processor-165h-24m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236851/...
DanHulton 2y ago
How does everyone continue to get the keyboard wrong on these? If the left and right arrows are full-size I know it's going to be miserable to use. Probably worse than miserable, because clearly nobody who ever uses the keyboard a serious amount has actually sat down and used it, or the arrow situation would have been fixed _immediately._ Who knows what else is terrible about the keyboard, given that it was pretty obviously not seriously tested? (I'm poking a bit of fun here, but this _is_ still a dealbreaker for me. I use those keys plenty, and full-height left/right arrows are indeed _miserable_ to use - it's basically impossible to quickly center your hand on them from home row.)
- tomtheelder 2y ago
  I have a keyboard that has this exact arrow key layout and… idk it’s fine? I think within a day I was completely used to it. I’m actually kind of confused what the complaint is with full height left/right. That it’s harder to locate them by touch?
  - userx8432152aa 2y ago
    I'm also confused but very interested based on this being a big enough deal to be a deal breaker. Maybe he wants them smaller ? I think the up/down not being full size is a bigger deal but even that is not a deal breaker
- userx8432152aa 2y ago
  What's the right design in your opinion ? super curious as I'm trying to figure out based on your comment. I have never even thought about this and I bet if it is the wrong design, it continues to be repeated for the same reason. I guess I'm honestly wondering, who cares ? (not dismissive, what type of person/work and what design!?) fwiw I'm an eng and a big gamer so I'm constantly using keyboards and I can't remember ever caring or using those keys much.
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stefan_ 2y ago
What do people use 96GB RAM for? It seems these days I'm happy with cookie-cutter 32 GB and longing for more VRAM that is impossible to get. (And why on earth is there a dedicated USB 2.0 port? To trick people into plugging in a USB 3 device and getting terrible performance?)
- arp242 2y ago
  For a regular dev laptop? I'd probably put some of ~/.cache on /tmp/cache. It's fine to clear on reboot, and putting it in memory should be a bit faster. My ~/.cache/go is 6.2G, but it was about 25G when I cleared it out last week. Of course you don't need* it, but that's what I'd do with 96G of RAM. My current laptop has 8G and I manage fine with that.
- from-nibly 2y ago
  Electron apps with memory leaks, corporate security scanning software, a huge nix compilation, you know, the important stuff.
- craftkiller 2y ago
  I use it for OpenTelemetry traces. I wrote a parser using parser-combinators so breakpoint debugging is pretty useless because the syntax is highly recursive and each parser gets invoked at nearly every character. Using traces, I can easily run a parse, and then do things like "look at the attempt to parse a hyperlink in the 2nd paragraph after the 3rd headline" pretty trivially using the tree structure that traces naturally are in. But, depending on the size of the document I am testing with, each execution generates 50+ GiB of traces, so to avoid putting significant wear on my SSD and to keep things snappy (both recording the traces and viewing the traces) I launch jaeger in memory-mode so the trace doesn't getting written to disk. Also, its super nice being able to casually use /tmp as tmpfs for basically anything without worrying much about space.
swatson741 2y ago
With all these desirable cookie cutter Taiwan derivative computers out on the market it really makes you wonder when we’re going start getting BestBuy/Insignia branded laptops being sold like RadioShack used to do.
- tocs3 2y ago
  I think Radio Shack had Tandy and Tandy made computers and leather working products. Does anyone know more about this?
  - jzellis 2y ago
    Apparently it was the other way around: Tandy started as a hobby store and bought the tiny RadioShack brand in 1963, and spun off Tandy Leather at some point. I never knew they were founded by the same dude. My mom bought beads and supplies from Tandy Leather when I was a kid and I never made the connection to Tandy computers and Radio Shack!
rnrricker 2y ago
One note for anyone thinking of buying. Check the reddit threads. I bought their Linux Tablet last year and the delays were horrible. It was delivered 8 months later than they advertised and their comms was crap. I quite enjoy the tablet - it's a good enough system... Out of date by the time it was delivered; however, nice enough. I wouldn't have bought it at the price point had I known it was going to be so late to deliver.
- Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
  Hey, Odin here from StarLabs. I joined the team 6 weeks ago and am in charge of communications. You are spot on, most of the team answers inbound tech questions well but doesn't see online timeline queries which leads to poor comms which is why I was hired! Our production times (pre-me) were slow, and to be transparent there is little I can do until a product physically lands on my desk, only then do I get control and can ensure a product is delivered. There are steps we can do to improve this: find additional component suppliers, and possibly get funded as we are still self-funded. If you know ways we could reduce production time I would love for that to happen, it would make my life a lot easier! Best Odin
fmajid 2y ago
The N200 is a fairly wimpy processor that isn’t really meant for laptops, more low-end desktops and routers, but that explains the low price.
- Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
  Hey, I'm not the biggest N200 fan (No pun intended). Some people NEED battery life and want a quiet experience so this is tailored for those people, it also happens to be cheaper. We're talking about a Linux device that is cheap and would be powerful enough for a lot of the non-techies. We also needed another option as we aren't doing AMD anymore.... A lot of our Linux users typically work in tech-related jobs and move heavy files/code which is who the Ultra Core 7 model is aimed at. I would love the Ultra Core 7 but if I was a light user I'd prefer the N200 which is cheaper. Hope this helps, we aren't trying to charge super computer prices for an N200, instead just giving the free-market the option. Best Odin
  - fmajid 2y ago
    Why not AMD any more? Considering the Intel quality control problems with copper-plated vias on 13th and 14th gen processors, I am giving those a wide berth, and I’d want Zen 5 in a high-performance laptop anyway. I live in the UK and considered getting the Starfighter, but was put off by the excessive lead times which meant it would be obsolete on arrival.
    - Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
      The Lead times are a serious problem. I joined 2 months ago and can't believe it. Ultimately we need to order in higher quantities instead of doing specific configurations per order. In an ideal world we get ahead of the curve and sell StarFighters that are physically in stock and shipped the same day. I've got some work to do the next two weeks with Book 7, Lite 5 round 2. After that, I can focus on Starfighter bringing its lead times back down to earth. AMD has not been helpful with us and open-source, Intel helps us to make this possible. Although the chip issues may make everyone skeptical about the chips, I have been told that our chips are not affected. Potentially what every company would say but its what I've been told so I believe it. I hope this has answered the AMD & Intel question. And hopefully we bring down lead times to make it a no brainer to choose StarFighter. Best Odin

40 points by mrusme 2y ago

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littlecosmic 2y ago

The are sold out

Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
Hey, Odin here from Starlabs! I tried to push the website live on Friday but we didn't get the product pics in time. Sean (Foudner) pushed the updates live over the weekend, this is why its now visible. I am soon to make a few announcements across our platforms and open orders. (We haven't sold out, we haven't opened orders yet). Our ecom site displays it as "Sold out" but that's not the case, we haven't started orders yet. Hope this helps clear up some confusion. Best Odin

normie3000 2y ago

Looks nice. Does anyone know how the keyboard feels compared to ThinkPad?

Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
Hey, Odin here from Starlabs! I tried to push the website live on Friday but we didn't get the product pics in time. Sean (Foudner) pushed the updates live over the weekend, this is why its now visible. I am soon to make a few announcements across our platforms and open orders. (We haven't sold out, we haven't opened orders yet). Our ecom site displays it as "Sold out" but that's not the case, we haven't started orders yet. Hope this helps clear up some confusion. Best Odin
- Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
  replied to the wrong comment, sorry
Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
Hey, the Keyboard will be the same as the Starbook MK V and Starbook MK VI. I could possibly send over the specs sheet. Will ask Best Odin
- bismillah11111 2y ago
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willcipriano 2y ago

5 ghz (across 8 of its 16 cores) cpu, the 5.6 is the ram. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236851/intel-core-ultra-7-processor-165h-24m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236851/...

DanHulton 2y ago

How does everyone continue to get the keyboard wrong on these? If the left and right arrows are full-size I know it's going to be miserable to use. Probably worse than miserable, because clearly nobody who ever uses the keyboard a serious amount has actually sat down and used it, or the arrow situation would have been fixed _immediately._ Who knows what else is terrible about the keyboard, given that it was pretty obviously not seriously tested? (I'm poking a bit of fun here, but this _is_ still a dealbreaker for me. I use those keys plenty, and full-height left/right arrows are indeed _miserable_ to use - it's basically impossible to quickly center your hand on them from home row.)

tomtheelder 2y ago
I have a keyboard that has this exact arrow key layout and… idk it’s fine? I think within a day I was completely used to it. I’m actually kind of confused what the complaint is with full height left/right. That it’s harder to locate them by touch?
- userx8432152aa 2y ago
  I'm also confused but very interested based on this being a big enough deal to be a deal breaker. Maybe he wants them smaller ? I think the up/down not being full size is a bigger deal but even that is not a deal breaker
userx8432152aa 2y ago
What's the right design in your opinion ? super curious as I'm trying to figure out based on your comment. I have never even thought about this and I bet if it is the wrong design, it continues to be repeated for the same reason. I guess I'm honestly wondering, who cares ? (not dismissive, what type of person/work and what design!?) fwiw I'm an eng and a big gamer so I'm constantly using keyboards and I can't remember ever caring or using those keys much.
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stefan_ 2y ago

What do people use 96GB RAM for? It seems these days I'm happy with cookie-cutter 32 GB and longing for more VRAM that is impossible to get. (And why on earth is there a dedicated USB 2.0 port? To trick people into plugging in a USB 3 device and getting terrible performance?)

arp242 2y ago
For a regular dev laptop? I'd probably put some of ~/.cache on /tmp/cache. It's fine to clear on reboot, and putting it in memory should be a bit faster. My ~/.cache/go is 6.2G, but it was about 25G when I cleared it out last week. Of course you don't need* it, but that's what I'd do with 96G of RAM. My current laptop has 8G and I manage fine with that.
from-nibly 2y ago
Electron apps with memory leaks, corporate security scanning software, a huge nix compilation, you know, the important stuff.
craftkiller 2y ago
I use it for OpenTelemetry traces. I wrote a parser using parser-combinators so breakpoint debugging is pretty useless because the syntax is highly recursive and each parser gets invoked at nearly every character. Using traces, I can easily run a parse, and then do things like "look at the attempt to parse a hyperlink in the 2nd paragraph after the 3rd headline" pretty trivially using the tree structure that traces naturally are in. But, depending on the size of the document I am testing with, each execution generates 50+ GiB of traces, so to avoid putting significant wear on my SSD and to keep things snappy (both recording the traces and viewing the traces) I launch jaeger in memory-mode so the trace doesn't getting written to disk. Also, its super nice being able to casually use /tmp as tmpfs for basically anything without worrying much about space.

swatson741 2y ago

With all these desirable cookie cutter Taiwan derivative computers out on the market it really makes you wonder when we’re going start getting BestBuy/Insignia branded laptops being sold like RadioShack used to do.

tocs3 2y ago
I think Radio Shack had Tandy and Tandy made computers and leather working products. Does anyone know more about this?
- jzellis 2y ago
  Apparently it was the other way around: Tandy started as a hobby store and bought the tiny RadioShack brand in 1963, and spun off Tandy Leather at some point. I never knew they were founded by the same dude. My mom bought beads and supplies from Tandy Leather when I was a kid and I never made the connection to Tandy computers and Radio Shack!

rnrricker 2y ago

One note for anyone thinking of buying. Check the reddit threads. I bought their Linux Tablet last year and the delays were horrible. It was delivered 8 months later than they advertised and their comms was crap. I quite enjoy the tablet - it's a good enough system... Out of date by the time it was delivered; however, nice enough. I wouldn't have bought it at the price point had I known it was going to be so late to deliver.

Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
Hey, Odin here from StarLabs. I joined the team 6 weeks ago and am in charge of communications. You are spot on, most of the team answers inbound tech questions well but doesn't see online timeline queries which leads to poor comms which is why I was hired! Our production times (pre-me) were slow, and to be transparent there is little I can do until a product physically lands on my desk, only then do I get control and can ensure a product is delivered. There are steps we can do to improve this: find additional component suppliers, and possibly get funded as we are still self-funded. If you know ways we could reduce production time I would love for that to happen, it would make my life a lot easier! Best Odin

fmajid 2y ago

The N200 is a fairly wimpy processor that isn’t really meant for laptops, more low-end desktops and routers, but that explains the low price.

Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
Hey, I'm not the biggest N200 fan (No pun intended). Some people NEED battery life and want a quiet experience so this is tailored for those people, it also happens to be cheaper. We're talking about a Linux device that is cheap and would be powerful enough for a lot of the non-techies. We also needed another option as we aren't doing AMD anymore.... A lot of our Linux users typically work in tech-related jobs and move heavy files/code which is who the Ultra Core 7 model is aimed at. I would love the Ultra Core 7 but if I was a light user I'd prefer the N200 which is cheaper. Hope this helps, we aren't trying to charge super computer prices for an N200, instead just giving the free-market the option. Best Odin
- fmajid 2y ago
  Why not AMD any more? Considering the Intel quality control problems with copper-plated vias on 13th and 14th gen processors, I am giving those a wide berth, and I’d want Zen 5 in a high-performance laptop anyway. I live in the UK and considered getting the Starfighter, but was put off by the excessive lead times which meant it would be obsolete on arrival.
  - Odin_StarLabs 2y ago
    The Lead times are a serious problem. I joined 2 months ago and can't believe it. Ultimately we need to order in higher quantities instead of doing specific configurations per order. In an ideal world we get ahead of the curve and sell StarFighters that are physically in stock and shipped the same day. I've got some work to do the next two weeks with Book 7, Lite 5 round 2. After that, I can focus on Starfighter bringing its lead times back down to earth. AMD has not been helpful with us and open-source, Intel helps us to make this possible. Although the chip issues may make everyone skeptical about the chips, I have been told that our chips are not affected. Potentially what every company would say but its what I've been told so I believe it. I hope this has answered the AMD & Intel question. And hopefully we bring down lead times to make it a no brainer to choose StarFighter. Best Odin