But this time it is a testable mathematical theory. If it turns out that it is possible to find a Turing machines that behave like humans, we will be in positio

But this time it is a testable mathematical theory. If it turns out that it is possible to find a Turing machines that behave like humans, we will be in position of a god to them, outside of their time and space, able to control everything that happens to them. But then maybe Penrose is right, and such a machine is impossible. In any case we have managed to find that the right question to ask is not idealism vs materialism, but computationalism vs non-computationalism.