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> “Thank goodness she did that because [otherwise] we would have no records of the early years of the first Women’s Hockey League in Canada,” Azzi said. A few

> “Thank goodness she did that because [otherwise] we would have no records of the early years of the first Women’s Hockey League in Canada,” Azzi said. A few years ago, Canada digitized many older television shows, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982 With the help of many industry partners, the [Canada Media Fund] CMF team unearthed Canadian gems buried in analog catalogues. Once discovered, we worked to secure permissions and required rights and collaborate with third parties to digitize the works, including an invaluable partnership with Deluxe Canada that covered 40 per cent of the digitization costs. The new, high-quality digital masters were made available to the rights holders and released to the public on the Encore+ YouTube channel in English and French. In late 2022, the channel deleted the entire Youtube Encore archive of Canadian television, with two weeks notice. A few months later, half of the archive resurfaced on https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Encore%20%2B%22 https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Encore%20%2B%2.... If anyone independently archived the missing Encore videos from Youtube, please mirror them to Archive.org.

Bluestein 2y ago
Archive.org is such a godsend.- The entire information 'substrate' of society is ephemeral, if digital, and none (at least not enough) seem to have noticed.-
- InsideOutSanta 2y ago
  I wrote a book in 2010. It had a references section with links to about 100 websites. When I wrote the second edition only about five years later, 50% of those links no longer worked. What we're doing right now is borderline insane. We're putting all of this information on the web, but almost each individual bit of information is dependent on either a company or a human being keeping it online. It's inevitable that companies change their minds, and humans die, so almost all of the information that is online right now will just disappear in the next 80 years. And we essentially only have one single entity that tries to retain that information.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    That entity goes out of its way to hide information if you're friends with the owners.
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
      All the more reason not to rely on it, hard to complain when no one else is willing to do what they do
  - walterbell 2y ago
    > references section with links to about 100 websites. Books deserve a github repo with PDF web archives of referenced links, the same way that Wikipedia mirrors the content of cited links.
    - ekianjo 2y ago
      certainly not GitHub
      - walterbell 2y ago
        What would you recommend instead?
        Intralexical 2y ago
        Copyright permitting, big QR code containing the plain text.
    - SirMaster 2y ago
      But wouldn't that be a big waste if everyone who references the same thing is then keeping a copy of it.
      - progbits 2y ago
        Better many copies than none. References usually mean written text and maybe some figures, cost of storage is going down, we can afford the duplication.
- makin 2y ago
  Two big issues with Archive.org are that 1. it's a single point of failure, they don't encourage mirror sites to emerge, and 2. they keep using the "brand" to fight unwinnable battles like hosting books they don't own online, risking the whole endeavor. I still appreciate it, but just imagine if it goes down due to a lawsuit. Now that Google no longer shows cached results, an entire historical record would be gone.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - medstrom 2y ago
    https://github.com/internetarchive/dweb-mirror https://github.com/internetarchive/dweb-mirror
    - makin 2y ago
      If you check the issues, you'll learn this is not a supported project anymore (and honestly, it hardly worked even back then).
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    > Now that Google no longer shows cached results, That was also the "end of an era" of sorts right there.- > they don't encourage mirror sites to emerge, Something over BitTorrent or blockchain would work well here, methinks. As a baseline substrate.-
  - stateofinquiry 2y ago
    Its surprising that archive.org is the only such outfit I have encountered. Just like we have had libraries since ancient times, why are there so few digital libraries? There must be others, but nowhere near the number (or awareness) that we should have. Heck, existing paper-based libraries should probably each include a digital archiving department. Maybe this is already happening or already exists, and is trivial to those studying library science or something. I can hope, anyway.
    - 2y ago

Bluestein 2y ago

Archive.org is such a godsend.- The entire information 'substrate' of society is ephemeral, if digital, and none (at least not enough) seem to have noticed.-

InsideOutSanta 2y ago
I wrote a book in 2010. It had a references section with links to about 100 websites. When I wrote the second edition only about five years later, 50% of those links no longer worked. What we're doing right now is borderline insane. We're putting all of this information on the web, but almost each individual bit of information is dependent on either a company or a human being keeping it online. It's inevitable that companies change their minds, and humans die, so almost all of the information that is online right now will just disappear in the next 80 years. And we essentially only have one single entity that tries to retain that information.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  That entity goes out of its way to hide information if you're friends with the owners.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    All the more reason not to rely on it, hard to complain when no one else is willing to do what they do
- walterbell 2y ago
  > references section with links to about 100 websites. Books deserve a github repo with PDF web archives of referenced links, the same way that Wikipedia mirrors the content of cited links.
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    certainly not GitHub
    - walterbell 2y ago
      What would you recommend instead?
      - Intralexical 2y ago
        Copyright permitting, big QR code containing the plain text.
  - SirMaster 2y ago
    But wouldn't that be a big waste if everyone who references the same thing is then keeping a copy of it.
    - progbits 2y ago
      Better many copies than none. References usually mean written text and maybe some figures, cost of storage is going down, we can afford the duplication.
makin 2y ago
Two big issues with Archive.org are that 1. it's a single point of failure, they don't encourage mirror sites to emerge, and 2. they keep using the "brand" to fight unwinnable battles like hosting books they don't own online, risking the whole endeavor. I still appreciate it, but just imagine if it goes down due to a lawsuit. Now that Google no longer shows cached results, an entire historical record would be gone.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- medstrom 2y ago
  https://github.com/internetarchive/dweb-mirror https://github.com/internetarchive/dweb-mirror
  - makin 2y ago
    If you check the issues, you'll learn this is not a supported project anymore (and honestly, it hardly worked even back then).
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > Now that Google no longer shows cached results, That was also the "end of an era" of sorts right there.- > they don't encourage mirror sites to emerge, Something over BitTorrent or blockchain would work well here, methinks. As a baseline substrate.-
- stateofinquiry 2y ago
  Its surprising that archive.org is the only such outfit I have encountered. Just like we have had libraries since ancient times, why are there so few digital libraries? There must be others, but nowhere near the number (or awareness) that we should have. Heck, existing paper-based libraries should probably each include a digital archiving department. Maybe this is already happening or already exists, and is trivial to those studying library science or something. I can hope, anyway.
  - 2y ago