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I see real threats in this. It resembles other 'questionable' bargains that we humans have earlier given in to. We have come to accept that we must work and pro

I see real threats in this. It resembles other 'questionable' bargains that we humans have earlier given in to. We have come to accept that we must work and produce capital to be allowed to live, currently partly to enrich various billionaires (the wealth we produce already allow us to buy dozens of big TVs we don't need, and we have shops full of junk we don't need, clearly we produce more than we need to live, for questionable reasons). We can no longer live as stone age hunters (I'm not saying that is a better fate, but we no longer have that choice). It is a very real threat that other "things you will have to accept" will arrive on the ship of AI. Sigh.

akira2501 2y ago
> work and produce capital to be allowed to live You have to work to live. Whether that's at a desk job or as a hunter gatherer. This has nothing to do with an "allowance" by any other entity. It's entropy itself which requires this of you. > We can no longer live as stone age hunters I personally know plenty of people who do. You're confusing your exceptionally high standard of life with the very small requirements to keep yourself alive. The gulf between the two is so wide I think you've lost track of it. I recommend a good long camping trip. > It is a very real threat One of the functions of freedom and capital are to increase individualism. Viewed from this place I'm sure AI seems like a real threat. If it threatens our freedom and capital I think you'd be surprised at how humans may group together to collectively defeat this "threat" which is almost certainly decades if not centuries away. Your brain is an analog computer. In fact it's several dozen analog computers operating independently. It's also so energy efficient it's actually kind of scary. That's a deep "super power" we have that people aren't genuinely considering in these faux-AI-philosophical debates.
- jfyi 2y ago
  > I personally know plenty of people who do. You're confusing your exceptionally high standard of life with the very small requirements to keep yourself alive. The gulf between the two is so wide I think you've lost track of it. I recommend a good long camping trip. It was very likely meant that "we as a whole" can no longer live as stone age hunters. I might argue that is wrong too though, but only if we were to take into consideration the very harsh lessons we would learn along the way.
- pixl97 2y ago
  >which is almost certainly decades if not centuries away. If you have no solution for a problem, it always pays to say the problem is a long way away. >I personally know plenty of people who do. If you think like an individual, you'll be killed by a system you don't understand. We can no longer live as stone age hunters. If everyone decided to at once around 98% of the population would quickly die from lack of water, food, and medicine/anti-biotics. There were only a few to a hundred million stone age hunters because earth cannot support high density humans with out some level of cleanness technologies. > It's also so energy efficient it's actually kind of scary And it's also its greatest limitation. Yea, your brain uses 40 watts or so, but we can also generate gigawatts of power on demand and it doesn't do our brains a bit of good. Meanwhile I can ship that power off to a data center that, theoretically, could use all that power at once far beyond what any individual could ever use.

akira2501 2y ago

> work and produce capital to be allowed to live You have to work to live. Whether that's at a desk job or as a hunter gatherer. This has nothing to do with an "allowance" by any other entity. It's entropy itself which requires this of you. > We can no longer live as stone age hunters I personally know plenty of people who do. You're confusing your exceptionally high standard of life with the very small requirements to keep yourself alive. The gulf between the two is so wide I think you've lost track of it. I recommend a good long camping trip. > It is a very real threat One of the functions of freedom and capital are to increase individualism. Viewed from this place I'm sure AI seems like a real threat. If it threatens our freedom and capital I think you'd be surprised at how humans may group together to collectively defeat this "threat" which is almost certainly decades if not centuries away. Your brain is an analog computer. In fact it's several dozen analog computers operating independently. It's also so energy efficient it's actually kind of scary. That's a deep "super power" we have that people aren't genuinely considering in these faux-AI-philosophical debates.

jfyi 2y ago
> I personally know plenty of people who do. You're confusing your exceptionally high standard of life with the very small requirements to keep yourself alive. The gulf between the two is so wide I think you've lost track of it. I recommend a good long camping trip. It was very likely meant that "we as a whole" can no longer live as stone age hunters. I might argue that is wrong too though, but only if we were to take into consideration the very harsh lessons we would learn along the way.
pixl97 2y ago
>which is almost certainly decades if not centuries away. If you have no solution for a problem, it always pays to say the problem is a long way away. >I personally know plenty of people who do. If you think like an individual, you'll be killed by a system you don't understand. We can no longer live as stone age hunters. If everyone decided to at once around 98% of the population would quickly die from lack of water, food, and medicine/anti-biotics. There were only a few to a hundred million stone age hunters because earth cannot support high density humans with out some level of cleanness technologies. > It's also so energy efficient it's actually kind of scary And it's also its greatest limitation. Yea, your brain uses 40 watts or so, but we can also generate gigawatts of power on demand and it doesn't do our brains a bit of good. Meanwhile I can ship that power off to a data center that, theoretically, could use all that power at once far beyond what any individual could ever use.