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For this to be true, people will also have to be prevented from using AI to combat the “cheap car salesman on steroids” AI bot with their own “eternal tire kick

by jt2190 2y ago

For this to be true, people will also have to be prevented from using AI to combat the “cheap car salesman on steroids” AI bot with their own “eternal tire kicker cheapskate car buyer” AI bot. So not an argument about AI but who gets to use and benefit from it. That feels like a dictatorship level of control.

pixl97 2y ago
I mean, right now you can sue any large company you want to "combat" them and their bad practices. Why aren't you? Oh yea, they typically have massive piles of resources split up in shell companies that make them very difficult and expensive to fight. And you, well you're a single person with limited resources and time. Now, you can pool your resources together against the big AI using companies if you like, but that is going to cost a massive amount of money and time to fight them still. So humans typically like to put these resources in to a government that at least attempts to look out for their best interests.
- jfyi 2y ago
  Humans typically like to keep these resources out of the hands of government until something horrific happens then do so begrudgingly. Then half of them still insist it's a bad idea and run out to learn the hard way. There is probably some kind of fallacy somewhere like "everyone thinks they will be the one who benefits from a power imbalance until they experience losing first hand".
  - pixl97 2y ago
    Unfortunately jfyi won't be able to post any further after disbanding the EPA for their imbalance of power, became deathly ill after drinking chemically poisoned water from his well. It wasn't even the water that got him, it was was the trash eating bears. In his weakened state he could not get away. All this said, we respect him for his stance of "survival of the fittest". His passing was quite terrible and slow, as the police force was disbanded and the neighbor wanted a $35 cash deposit for ammunition to shoot the bear, it took 45 minutes for his screaming to stop. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-... https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...
    - jfyi 2y ago
      What a weird response. I'm not sure if you mistook me for standing behind a Libertarian viewpoint and are mocking me for it or if you are just joking. You know... "and then"ing what I said, taking it up a notch for the gag. If it was the first, I can assure you the comment was lamenting the situation, not celebrating it. I even chuckled to myself that the fallacy in question is called "Libertarianism". If it was the second, the best advice about joking I have ever heard is "if at all possible, involve a cow". I'll be looking out for it next time ;)
klyrs 2y ago
Good luck smuggling your rogue AI into the walled garden tended by the advertisers. Some of us will succeed, but the vast majority won't even recognize the need

by jt2190 2y ago

pixl97 2y ago

I mean, right now you can sue any large company you want to "combat" them and their bad practices. Why aren't you? Oh yea, they typically have massive piles of resources split up in shell companies that make them very difficult and expensive to fight. And you, well you're a single person with limited resources and time. Now, you can pool your resources together against the big AI using companies if you like, but that is going to cost a massive amount of money and time to fight them still. So humans typically like to put these resources in to a government that at least attempts to look out for their best interests.

jfyi 2y ago
Humans typically like to keep these resources out of the hands of government until something horrific happens then do so begrudgingly. Then half of them still insist it's a bad idea and run out to learn the hard way. There is probably some kind of fallacy somewhere like "everyone thinks they will be the one who benefits from a power imbalance until they experience losing first hand".
- pixl97 2y ago
  Unfortunately jfyi won't be able to post any further after disbanding the EPA for their imbalance of power, became deathly ill after drinking chemically poisoned water from his well. It wasn't even the water that got him, it was was the trash eating bears. In his weakened state he could not get away. All this said, we respect him for his stance of "survival of the fittest". His passing was quite terrible and slow, as the police force was disbanded and the neighbor wanted a $35 cash deposit for ammunition to shoot the bear, it took 45 minutes for his screaming to stop. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-... https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...
  - jfyi 2y ago
    What a weird response. I'm not sure if you mistook me for standing behind a Libertarian viewpoint and are mocking me for it or if you are just joking. You know... "and then"ing what I said, taking it up a notch for the gag. If it was the first, I can assure you the comment was lamenting the situation, not celebrating it. I even chuckled to myself that the fallacy in question is called "Libertarianism". If it was the second, the best advice about joking I have ever heard is "if at all possible, involve a cow". I'll be looking out for it next time ;)

klyrs 2y ago

Good luck smuggling your rogue AI into the walled garden tended by the advertisers. Some of us will succeed, but the vast majority won't even recognize the need