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Sorry, but how is the customer supposed to be able to tell whether their CPU is degraded already and will fail sooner or later? I don't buy it. A recall would b

Sorry, but how is the customer supposed to be able to tell whether their CPU is degraded already and will fail sooner or later? I don't buy it. A recall would be the right thing to do. Intel giving the middle finger to the OEMs and SIs goes against their whole supply chain they were really proud of building. That very supply chain which due to its sheer size allowed them to do anti-competitive don't-use-AMD-subsidy shenanigans.

adrian_b 2y ago
Intel's argument is exactly that you cannot recognize whether a CPU is not degraded at all or it is partially degraded. When it becomes defective, a replacement can be requested. The warranty time has been extended by two years to give time to the partially degraded CPUs to become defective while still under warranty. The CPUs that have not been overclocked are unlikely to have been degraded. Nevertheless, many gaming motherboards may have applied implicitly some voltages higher than the default, thus for many customers it may be impossible to estimate the likelihood for their CPU to have been affected.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  Intel's argument is exactly that you cannot recognize whether a CPU is not degraded at all or it is partially degraded. Anecdata point: my 13900K system is a couple of years old, with a December 2022 in-service date, and has been rock solid in everyday use. Until I ran the http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/ http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/ benchmark, which reported errors after about an hour. So for users of the affected CPUs, it may be smart to repeat that experiment before assuming they have "one of the good ones." At this point I'm left wondering how long it will be before faults appear during normal workloads. The CPUs that have not been overclocked are unlikely to have been degraded. That is absolutely not the case. My system is running bog-standard BIOS settings from an OEM known to be conservative in that regard (Puget Systems). Among the many reports of problems, there have been quite a few from cloud providers, who don't overclock their systems as a rule.

adrian_b 2y ago

Intel's argument is exactly that you cannot recognize whether a CPU is not degraded at all or it is partially degraded. When it becomes defective, a replacement can be requested. The warranty time has been extended by two years to give time to the partially degraded CPUs to become defective while still under warranty. The CPUs that have not been overclocked are unlikely to have been degraded. Nevertheless, many gaming motherboards may have applied implicitly some voltages higher than the default, thus for many customers it may be impossible to estimate the likelihood for their CPU to have been affected.

CamperBob2 2y ago
Intel's argument is exactly that you cannot recognize whether a CPU is not degraded at all or it is partially degraded. Anecdata point: my 13900K system is a couple of years old, with a December 2022 in-service date, and has been rock solid in everyday use. Until I ran the http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/ http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/ benchmark, which reported errors after about an hour. So for users of the affected CPUs, it may be smart to repeat that experiment before assuming they have "one of the good ones." At this point I'm left wondering how long it will be before faults appear during normal workloads. The CPUs that have not been overclocked are unlikely to have been degraded. That is absolutely not the case. My system is running bog-standard BIOS settings from an OEM known to be conservative in that regard (Puget Systems). Among the many reports of problems, there have been quite a few from cloud providers, who don't overclock their systems as a rule.