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Superhuman AI won't be used to improve quality of life just like the day after someone figured out you could put ads on usenet It's going to be used to pump as

by ck2 2y ago

Superhuman AI won't be used to improve quality of life just like the day after someone figured out you could put ads on usenet It's going to be used to pump as much money out of each individual as possible Every online store, big corporate especially will instantly realize how much you are able and willing to pay for everything and that's your "personalized price" It will scan all your social media, it will look at your purchase histories, it will know your income and credit Like a used car dealer on steroids that never gets tired and learns more and more about you by following you around and watching what you do Everything from your daily food to your big ticket purchases, maximum customized prices It's going to be evil as hell and lawmakers will just be paid off eventually to let it all happen, data collection and no two people paying the same for the same thing will become 100% legal and the norm

jt2190 2y ago
For this to be true, people will also have to be prevented from using AI to combat the “cheap car salesman on steroids” AI bot with their own “eternal tire kicker cheapskate car buyer” AI bot. So not an argument about AI but who gets to use and benefit from it. That feels like a dictatorship level of control.
- pixl97 2y ago
  I mean, right now you can sue any large company you want to "combat" them and their bad practices. Why aren't you? Oh yea, they typically have massive piles of resources split up in shell companies that make them very difficult and expensive to fight. And you, well you're a single person with limited resources and time. Now, you can pool your resources together against the big AI using companies if you like, but that is going to cost a massive amount of money and time to fight them still. So humans typically like to put these resources in to a government that at least attempts to look out for their best interests.
  - jfyi 2y ago
    Humans typically like to keep these resources out of the hands of government until something horrific happens then do so begrudgingly. Then half of them still insist it's a bad idea and run out to learn the hard way. There is probably some kind of fallacy somewhere like "everyone thinks they will be the one who benefits from a power imbalance until they experience losing first hand".
    - pixl97 2y ago
      Unfortunately jfyi won't be able to post any further after disbanding the EPA for their imbalance of power, became deathly ill after drinking chemically poisoned water from his well. It wasn't even the water that got him, it was was the trash eating bears. In his weakened state he could not get away. All this said, we respect him for his stance of "survival of the fittest". His passing was quite terrible and slow, as the police force was disbanded and the neighbor wanted a $35 cash deposit for ammunition to shoot the bear, it took 45 minutes for his screaming to stop. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-... https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...
      - jfyi 2y ago
        What a weird response. I'm not sure if you mistook me for standing behind a Libertarian viewpoint and are mocking me for it or if you are just joking. You know... "and then"ing what I said, taking it up a notch for the gag. If it was the first, I can assure you the comment was lamenting the situation, not celebrating it. I even chuckled to myself that the fallacy in question is called "Libertarianism". If it was the second, the best advice about joking I have ever heard is "if at all possible, involve a cow". I'll be looking out for it next time ;)
- klyrs 2y ago
  Good luck smuggling your rogue AI into the walled garden tended by the advertisers. Some of us will succeed, but the vast majority won't even recognize the need
SoftTalker 2y ago
This seems to assume that the competitive marketplace will disappear, or that we'll have no ability to look at what a gallon of milk costs at Kroger vs. Aldi and make a decision on where to buy, or that prices will not be posted until you check out and everyone will just be OK with that.
- pixl97 2y ago
  You've seen grocery costs rocket up massively in the past few years and only now is it really reaching a boiling point. Turns out if you keep people entertained they will accept a massive amount of shit. When it comes to food, there is far less competition than one would expect. The distribution markets have become ran by just a few companies. And those 'competitors' will gladly subscribe to some service like RealPage for food so they could massively increase their profits.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    But if they get too greedy then local farming becomes competitive again. I can buy eggs from my neighbor, or at the local farmer's market, or I can get some chickens of my own.
    - pixl97 2y ago
      Eh, not really. My sister has a large ranch and keeps chickens for eggs, but it's not something that's going to get even close to breaking even. A huge amount of time and effort is needed keeping predators away. Feed in small amounts is rather expensive compared to large wholesale amounts. And letting them range is a rather large amount of work ensuring they don't get in trouble.

by ck2 2y ago

jt2190 2y ago

For this to be true, people will also have to be prevented from using AI to combat the “cheap car salesman on steroids” AI bot with their own “eternal tire kicker cheapskate car buyer” AI bot. So not an argument about AI but who gets to use and benefit from it. That feels like a dictatorship level of control.

pixl97 2y ago
I mean, right now you can sue any large company you want to "combat" them and their bad practices. Why aren't you? Oh yea, they typically have massive piles of resources split up in shell companies that make them very difficult and expensive to fight. And you, well you're a single person with limited resources and time. Now, you can pool your resources together against the big AI using companies if you like, but that is going to cost a massive amount of money and time to fight them still. So humans typically like to put these resources in to a government that at least attempts to look out for their best interests.
- jfyi 2y ago
  Humans typically like to keep these resources out of the hands of government until something horrific happens then do so begrudgingly. Then half of them still insist it's a bad idea and run out to learn the hard way. There is probably some kind of fallacy somewhere like "everyone thinks they will be the one who benefits from a power imbalance until they experience losing first hand".
  - pixl97 2y ago
    Unfortunately jfyi won't be able to post any further after disbanding the EPA for their imbalance of power, became deathly ill after drinking chemically poisoned water from his well. It wasn't even the water that got him, it was was the trash eating bears. In his weakened state he could not get away. All this said, we respect him for his stance of "survival of the fittest". His passing was quite terrible and slow, as the police force was disbanded and the neighbor wanted a $35 cash deposit for ammunition to shoot the bear, it took 45 minutes for his screaming to stop. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-... https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...
    - jfyi 2y ago
      What a weird response. I'm not sure if you mistook me for standing behind a Libertarian viewpoint and are mocking me for it or if you are just joking. You know... "and then"ing what I said, taking it up a notch for the gag. If it was the first, I can assure you the comment was lamenting the situation, not celebrating it. I even chuckled to myself that the fallacy in question is called "Libertarianism". If it was the second, the best advice about joking I have ever heard is "if at all possible, involve a cow". I'll be looking out for it next time ;)
klyrs 2y ago
Good luck smuggling your rogue AI into the walled garden tended by the advertisers. Some of us will succeed, but the vast majority won't even recognize the need

SoftTalker 2y ago

This seems to assume that the competitive marketplace will disappear, or that we'll have no ability to look at what a gallon of milk costs at Kroger vs. Aldi and make a decision on where to buy, or that prices will not be posted until you check out and everyone will just be OK with that.

pixl97 2y ago
You've seen grocery costs rocket up massively in the past few years and only now is it really reaching a boiling point. Turns out if you keep people entertained they will accept a massive amount of shit. When it comes to food, there is far less competition than one would expect. The distribution markets have become ran by just a few companies. And those 'competitors' will gladly subscribe to some service like RealPage for food so they could massively increase their profits.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  But if they get too greedy then local farming becomes competitive again. I can buy eggs from my neighbor, or at the local farmer's market, or I can get some chickens of my own.
  - pixl97 2y ago
    Eh, not really. My sister has a large ranch and keeps chickens for eggs, but it's not something that's going to get even close to breaking even. A huge amount of time and effort is needed keeping predators away. Feed in small amounts is rather expensive compared to large wholesale amounts. And letting them range is a rather large amount of work ensuring they don't get in trouble.