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Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. Postal workers should be protected, that would also reduce overall costs. Dog owners mu

Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. Postal workers should be protected, that would also reduce overall costs. Dog owners must be forced to take responsibility. They should not be allowed to push cost of dog attack onto other people! Attacking postal worker for whatever reason should be a crime, punishable by prison!

dijit 2y ago
Preach. I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant.
- paulcole 2y ago
  > I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant. To be fair there is not much in the way of consequence for the dog owner here either.
alistairSH 2y ago
Uber and Grubhub drivers are not postal workers. Nor are UPS or FedEx. Post is specific to USPS (in the US). With that said, Uber and GrubHub drivers should be regular employees with all those protections.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  The law I refered, is not specific about type of delivery service. It just says "delivery of mail" And USPS workers have the same problem! https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701
  - alistairSH 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure those federal laws protect UPS/federal mail delivery. Private delivery services (packages, food, courier) are not protected by these laws. In the same way, none of the private services are allowed to use our mailboxes (different section of the same block of law).
jkaplowitz 2y ago
> Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. I agree the post is a foundational infrastructure, that both the service itself and postal workers should be protected by law, and that we dog owners should control our dogs as well as being responsible for the cost of any dog attacks. (I’m originally from NYC but currently living in Berlin, Germany, where dog liability insurance is legally mandatory for the owners of any dogs living here. Good public policy! Yes I do have the required insurance.) But, as a tangent: no, the postal service is not protected by the constitution, only by statutory law. The Postal Clause of the constitution gives Congress the power to establish a postal service but not an obligation to do so, nor a requirement for any such congressionally established postal service to be a public entity. Congress could choose to abolish or privatize USPS more than it already has, and Republicans have often pushed in that direction.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  Post (as federal institution) has constitutional protection from local states, all sorts of thugs, and people who would interfere with mail delivery. That clause handles what local states must do, it is not about federal goverment!
  - jkaplowitz 2y ago
    > Post (as federal institution) has constitutional protection from local states, all sorts of thugs, and people who would interfere with mail delivery. > > That clause handles what local states must do, it is not about federal goverment! That clause does indeed empower the federal government to statutorily legislate the types of protections you describe, but those protections do not directly spring from the text of the constitution without enabling federal statutory legislation - as do for example the restrictions on the states from the Bill of Rights as incorporated against the states by the 14th Amendment.

dijit 2y ago

Preach. I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant.

paulcole 2y ago
> I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant. To be fair there is not much in the way of consequence for the dog owner here either.

alistairSH 2y ago

Uber and Grubhub drivers are not postal workers. Nor are UPS or FedEx. Post is specific to USPS (in the US). With that said, Uber and GrubHub drivers should be regular employees with all those protections.

trte9343r4 2y ago
The law I refered, is not specific about type of delivery service. It just says "delivery of mail" And USPS workers have the same problem! https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701
- alistairSH 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure those federal laws protect UPS/federal mail delivery. Private delivery services (packages, food, courier) are not protected by these laws. In the same way, none of the private services are allowed to use our mailboxes (different section of the same block of law).

jkaplowitz 2y ago

> Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. I agree the post is a foundational infrastructure, that both the service itself and postal workers should be protected by law, and that we dog owners should control our dogs as well as being responsible for the cost of any dog attacks. (I’m originally from NYC but currently living in Berlin, Germany, where dog liability insurance is legally mandatory for the owners of any dogs living here. Good public policy! Yes I do have the required insurance.) But, as a tangent: no, the postal service is not protected by the constitution, only by statutory law. The Postal Clause of the constitution gives Congress the power to establish a postal service but not an obligation to do so, nor a requirement for any such congressionally established postal service to be a public entity. Congress could choose to abolish or privatize USPS more than it already has, and Republicans have often pushed in that direction.

trte9343r4 2y ago
Post (as federal institution) has constitutional protection from local states, all sorts of thugs, and people who would interfere with mail delivery. That clause handles what local states must do, it is not about federal goverment!
- jkaplowitz 2y ago
  > Post (as federal institution) has constitutional protection from local states, all sorts of thugs, and people who would interfere with mail delivery. > > That clause handles what local states must do, it is not about federal goverment! That clause does indeed empower the federal government to statutorily legislate the types of protections you describe, but those protections do not directly spring from the text of the constitution without enabling federal statutory legislation - as do for example the restrictions on the states from the Bill of Rights as incorporated against the states by the 14th Amendment.