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If delivery workers are "full time employees", they should get the same protections, not just equal pay. Many are attacked by dogs while delivering, by custome

If delivery workers are "full time employees", they should get the same protections, not just equal pay. Many are attacked by dogs while delivering, by customers of their employer. That is a text book examples of job related injury! Also interfering with a post delivery is a federal crime, and violent assault! But right now workers are gas lighted "you provoked the dog", or it "was your fault". Instead of compensation and paid sick leave, they have to pay hospital bill themselfs and are forced to take unpaid leave for recovery! Some are even bullied not to report their attacker! There is also social justice and racial argument! Most delivery workers are low income, while attackers who order deliveries are higher income!

itake 2y ago
Fair, but also many people that use this serve are disabled and elderly that are already paying a lot.. we could just tell old ppl they need to find another way to get food or they need to reach deeper into their social security checks.
- dijit 2y ago
  Sounds like we shouldn't consider foundational infrastructure something that should turn a profit. I’m consistently amazed at how many things our progenitors of society nailed - that we threw away trying to make profit, only to realise that serving everyone means that some elements of service will not turn profit.
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
    Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. Postal workers should be protected, that would also reduce overall costs. Dog owners must be forced to take responsibility. They should not be allowed to push cost of dog attack onto other people! Attacking postal worker for whatever reason should be a crime, punishable by prison!
    - dijit 2y ago
      Preach. I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant.
      - paulcole 2y ago
        > I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant. To be fair there is not much in the way of consequence for the dog owner here either.
    - alistairSH 2y ago
      Uber and Grubhub drivers are not postal workers. Nor are UPS or FedEx. Post is specific to USPS (in the US). With that said, Uber and GrubHub drivers should be regular employees with all those protections.
      - trte9343r4 2y ago
        The law I refered, is not specific about type of delivery service. It just says "delivery of mail" And USPS workers have the same problem! https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701
        alistairSH 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure those federal laws protect UPS/federal mail delivery. Private delivery services (packages, food, courier) are not protected by these laws. In the same way, none of the private services are allowed to use our mailboxes (different section of the same block of law).
    - jkaplowitz 2y ago
      > Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. I agree the post is a foundational infrastructure, that both the service itself and postal workers should be protected by law, and that we dog owners should control our dogs as well as being responsible for the cost of any dog attacks. (I’m originally from NYC but currently living in Berlin, Germany, where dog liability insurance is legally mandatory for the owners of any dogs living here. Good public policy! Yes I do have the required insurance.) But, as a tangent: no, the postal service is not protected by the constitution, only by statutory law. The Postal Clause of the constitution gives Congress the power to establish a postal service but not an obligation to do so, nor a requirement for any such congressionally established postal service to be a public entity. Congress could choose to abolish or privatize USPS more than it already has, and Republicans have often pushed in that direction.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  One more reason to push this! Old people are favorite target for dogs (just after children). Some streets are not even served by delivery services, due to frequent dog attacks. That affect elderly who rely on such services!
- Ekaros 2y ago
  So somehow it is up to the people doing those services to suffer the economic costs? That is absolutely evil and selfish take.

itake 2y ago

Fair, but also many people that use this serve are disabled and elderly that are already paying a lot.. we could just tell old ppl they need to find another way to get food or they need to reach deeper into their social security checks.

dijit 2y ago
Sounds like we shouldn't consider foundational infrastructure something that should turn a profit. I’m consistently amazed at how many things our progenitors of society nailed - that we threw away trying to make profit, only to realise that serving everyone means that some elements of service will not turn profit.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. Postal workers should be protected, that would also reduce overall costs. Dog owners must be forced to take responsibility. They should not be allowed to push cost of dog attack onto other people! Attacking postal worker for whatever reason should be a crime, punishable by prison!
  - dijit 2y ago
    Preach. I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant.
    - paulcole 2y ago
      > I’m not sure how its different from allowing your dog to bite any other civil servant. To be fair there is not much in the way of consequence for the dog owner here either.
  - alistairSH 2y ago
    Uber and Grubhub drivers are not postal workers. Nor are UPS or FedEx. Post is specific to USPS (in the US). With that said, Uber and GrubHub drivers should be regular employees with all those protections.
    - trte9343r4 2y ago
      The law I refered, is not specific about type of delivery service. It just says "delivery of mail" And USPS workers have the same problem! https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1701
      - alistairSH 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure those federal laws protect UPS/federal mail delivery. Private delivery services (packages, food, courier) are not protected by these laws. In the same way, none of the private services are allowed to use our mailboxes (different section of the same block of law).
  - jkaplowitz 2y ago
    > Post is a foundational infrastructure. It is protected by constitution. I agree the post is a foundational infrastructure, that both the service itself and postal workers should be protected by law, and that we dog owners should control our dogs as well as being responsible for the cost of any dog attacks. (I’m originally from NYC but currently living in Berlin, Germany, where dog liability insurance is legally mandatory for the owners of any dogs living here. Good public policy! Yes I do have the required insurance.) But, as a tangent: no, the postal service is not protected by the constitution, only by statutory law. The Postal Clause of the constitution gives Congress the power to establish a postal service but not an obligation to do so, nor a requirement for any such congressionally established postal service to be a public entity. Congress could choose to abolish or privatize USPS more than it already has, and Republicans have often pushed in that direction.
trte9343r4 2y ago
One more reason to push this! Old people are favorite target for dogs (just after children). Some streets are not even served by delivery services, due to frequent dog attacks. That affect elderly who rely on such services!
Ekaros 2y ago
So somehow it is up to the people doing those services to suffer the economic costs? That is absolutely evil and selfish take.