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> "Reforming the ISA to protect and manage the deep sea for the benefit of humankind is crucial." Looks like Captain Picard might have been too optimistic. I r
by nativeit 2y ago
> "Reforming the ISA to protect and manage the deep sea for the benefit of humankind is crucial."
Looks like Captain Picard might have been too optimistic. I reckon this will be the “final frontier”, and humans won’t survive long enough to make it to interstellar space after we’ve trawled ourselves out of a functional ecosystem through greed and willful ignorance.
- pfdietz 2y ago[flagged]
- Kye 2y agoOcean acidity is already to the point that entire ecosystems down there are threatened. It's not if, it's when, unless we stop pushing the biosphere toward the brink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification Humanity can't continue on if the oceans die.
- pfdietz 2y agoThese arguments go from "these aspects of natural ecosystems are threatened" to "humanity will die" with remarkable agility. Also, the (very) deep ocean being talked about is already naturally acid, from oxidation of falling organic matter pumping CO2 downward. There is a depth, the carbonate compensation depth, below which carbonate dissolves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonate_compensation_depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonate_compensation_depth The dissolution of carbonate is part of the reason those metallic deposits are available to be mined, rather than buried in calcareous sediments.
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- CuriouslyC 2y agoHumanity will survive. We might be sad, dirty, poor and sick, struggling to eek out an existence from grubs and filtering tainted water, but hey, at least you and your friends will have made a lot of money from unregulated pollution, right? I'm sure the opulence of your petrified carcass will give comfort to them all.
- pfdietz 2y agoOr we might be perfectly fine. You want to argue with someone who doesn't hold a quasi-religious reverence for natural ecosystems, you have to connect the dots and argue your case. I think there's a tendency to revert to a moral form of thinking here: that there's some natural law that bad people come to bad ends, so if do bad things we'll be punished, and no actual demonstration of how that would happen is necessary.
- CuriouslyC 2y agoI love that head in the sand late stage capitalist mindset, friend. Record heat waves, flooding, rising rates of cancer, reduced lifespan, islands of plastic garbage the size of Texas, people in rural communities that can't drink their water... And the burden of proof is on me! Talk about audacity. You really are beyond saving.
- alehlopeh 2y agoI’m not against your position generally speaking, but saying this guy is “beyond saving” only strengthens his argument that you’re coming at this from a quasi-religious perspective.
- CuriouslyC 2y agoWhat is beyond saving is his fundamental human decency. It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to see everything going on and how it's escalated over the last 40 years and think to ones self "Everything is fine, my stock portfolio is more important than a stable climate, clean air and safe drinking water."
- grecy 2y agoHave a look into the decline of the fishing industry on the eastern seaboard of the us and Canada. We fished ALL the fish.
- pfdietz 2y ago[flagged]