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I think you're on to something. Everyone always talks about social media but I honestly think cars are the most harmful technology of our time. Not least becaus

I think you're on to something. Everyone always talks about social media but I honestly think cars are the most harmful technology of our time. Not least because it's not even recognised by the vast majority of people yet. Social media is at least given lip service. Everyone working all the time sucks for many reasons. It's a trap that people have fallen for and the only ones laughing are the billionaire oligarchs. Women in particular used to work for themselves and their families, building their own assets and their own relationships. Almost like that "founder" status everyone wants. Now they work for the same few men as their partners building wealth for those men and the closest the family has to a home cooked meal is a favourite takeaway.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
> Women in particular used to work for themselves Women only recently got the right to manage their own assets, and in some societies it is still in the process of happening. >and their families, Yes, they used to work for their families.
- anon291 2y ago
  Keeping our discussion to Spain, women have been able to manage their own assets for a long time (including married woman). Let's not project english law onto the whole world.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    Wikipedia says 1930s for women’s civil rights in Spain, which I count as recent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_Spanish_Second_Republic_period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_Span... It also takes generations for the rights to fully take effect, for example women being refused services by sexist men or hitting glass ceilings at work. Even in the US, I can see very different changes in the treatment and expectations of my older women cousins who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s versus those who grew up in the 2000s and 2010s. Same laws, but the rate of change from those laws accelerated as older generations died out and critical mass in the population with the new views takes hold.
trealira 2y ago
> Women in particular used to work for themselves and their families, building their own assets and their own relationships. Almost like that "founder" status everyone wants. Now they work for the same few men as their partners building wealth for those men and the closest the family has to a home cooked meal is a favourite takeaway. I'd caution you not to conflate home-cooked meals and family dinners with restrictive gender roles. It's possible to have them without a stay-at-home wife. For example, I grew up with two moms working full-time and had home-cooked meals (or leftovers thereof) for dinner almost every day. It's of course harder to make time to cook when both parents are working, but not impossible.
leobg 2y ago
I think that was beautifully phrased. Needless to say, I agree.

lotsofpulp 2y ago

> Women in particular used to work for themselves Women only recently got the right to manage their own assets, and in some societies it is still in the process of happening. >and their families, Yes, they used to work for their families.

anon291 2y ago
Keeping our discussion to Spain, women have been able to manage their own assets for a long time (including married woman). Let's not project english law onto the whole world.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  Wikipedia says 1930s for women’s civil rights in Spain, which I count as recent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_Spanish_Second_Republic_period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_Span... It also takes generations for the rights to fully take effect, for example women being refused services by sexist men or hitting glass ceilings at work. Even in the US, I can see very different changes in the treatment and expectations of my older women cousins who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s versus those who grew up in the 2000s and 2010s. Same laws, but the rate of change from those laws accelerated as older generations died out and critical mass in the population with the new views takes hold.

trealira 2y ago

> Women in particular used to work for themselves and their families, building their own assets and their own relationships. Almost like that "founder" status everyone wants. Now they work for the same few men as their partners building wealth for those men and the closest the family has to a home cooked meal is a favourite takeaway. I'd caution you not to conflate home-cooked meals and family dinners with restrictive gender roles. It's possible to have them without a stay-at-home wife. For example, I grew up with two moms working full-time and had home-cooked meals (or leftovers thereof) for dinner almost every day. It's of course harder to make time to cook when both parents are working, but not impossible.

leobg 2y ago

I think that was beautifully phrased. Needless to say, I agree.