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I'm reasonably decent at chess, around 2500 Lichess blitz, and I also started chess as an adult. And in my experience visualization was 100% a trained/learned
by somenameforme 2y ago
I'm reasonably decent at chess, around 2500 Lichess blitz, and I also started chess as an adult.
And in my experience visualization was 100% a trained/learned skill. Like all players when I was weaker I had no board visualization, and would have difficulty visualizing even simple variations. And then at some point I began to be able to see the board easily. The counter-intuitive thing is that there was no progress, it was like a stair-step. At some point in my 'career' I couldn't see the board at all, then suddenly I could. I think it has something to do with trained pattern recognition, because now when doing things like tactics problems I can generally look at the position for a few seconds and then close my eyes and get to solving it in my head. But I can't do this in weird positions where there's a bunch of pieces in random locations. So my visualization is clearly impacted by some association with familiar patterns.
I also think my experience is the rule based on coaching I've done with players of all ages and skill levels. I suspect most strong players aren't familiar with this, because they started playing as children. Nakamura, for instance, hit national master level at 10 years old. I don't trust his recollection of introspective astract/perceptual detail, as a 6 year old, to be particularly accurate. And if visualization is a trained skill with exponential step style progress, then it's completely unsurprising that people would report radically different abilities to visualize things.
- kolinko 2y agoCurious - how does the board look like in your head? Is it a specific 3d board? Or a 2d image of a board? Does it have colour, texture, etc? Does it always look the same? As an aphant I always wondered how can people play chess by just mentioning moves and not get lost - it makes sense if they have a stable picture of their board in their head!
- somenameforme 2y agoFor me, it is not like a crystal clear image or anything. It's hazy, but clear enough to work with and think clearly. The image tends to be a sort of abstract snap shot of whatever I'm playing on. So over the board it tends to be in 3d, and online it tends to be in 2d. Colors tend to be muddier/darker versions of whatever scheme I happen to be playing/studying with. An interesting thing is that your eyes tend to move while navigating this board - an interesting sort of connection between the physical and mental even when it's entirely mental. I noticed when Magnus did his blindfold sim in Vienna [1] he'd often tilt his head in a certain direction for each board, so I imagine it was the same thing for him with him having them all kind of setup in his mind, and simply moving his head to look at each board in turn. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqmzadHNSLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqmzadHNSLs