> Civil discourse has effectively been rendered impossible by the people I'm referring to > The system wasn't designed to tolerate an entire party of saboteurs

> Civil discourse has effectively been rendered impossible by the people I'm referring to > The system wasn't designed to tolerate an entire party of saboteurs. I'm missing something here, because it seems you are the flame war you speak ill of, and when I asked you to tone down the rhetoric you throw your hands up and say you're not going to participate in said flame war. You are right though - it is impossible to have a productive conversation when one person is determined to only believe their flavor of propaganda and not find any common ground. I said it elsewhere in thread: "Sit down with a friend that has the opposite political viewpoints and discuss some hard issues for an hour. There's a 0% chance the two sides don't find common ground..."