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Tight knit irreligious communities always existed. I grew up in one, nobody in my family is/was religious, yet people still were close. I think the top comment

by kredd 2y ago

Tight knit irreligious communities always existed. I grew up in one, nobody in my family is/was religious, yet people still were close. I think the top comment nails down the root cause — rampant individualism is rewarded from an economical and financial stand point, so people avoid making sacrifices for others. If you check out very religious societies (other than closed down sects), they have a significant decline in youth co-mingling as well. I’m not saying removing religion did not contribute to the decline (e.g. parents forcing their children to go to church), and we definitely screwed up when it comes to replacing that freed time with something more social. But actively asserting ideas and beliefs that don’t hold ground in the modern days to the children isn’t something I can support.

hu3 2y ago
> But actively asserting ideas and beliefs that don’t hold ground in the modern days... You realize that's an opinion right? Not a fact. Such a broad and loaded generalization too. Religion might not have a place in modern society >to you<. Generalizing that opinion is just as radical as trying to impose religion onto others. Not to mention that, just because non-religious groups are also able to become close and social, it doesn't mean that religion doesn't help here too. So there is a flaw in this logic.
- kredd 2y ago
  Fair, you're right, apologies, I just have a knee-jerk reaction to any commentary that suggests religious indoctrination of children. But again, I still think parts of religious traditions are amazing (like bringing the community together, having pre-set activities, celebrating things together and etc.). The "ideas and beliefs" that I'm against is just the usual paranormal stories that are being push as the objective truth. If someone can extract out the core good things out of the religions (being nice to the neighbour, helping others, decency and etc.) and apply it to the modern world, I will be all for that. And that's kind of what my parents taught me from day 1 as well. Or taking specific activities, how my Jewish friends do, like hosting Friday night Shabbat dinners to bring your friends and family together. The problem is, it's very hard to implement in a larger scale, as you can't push people one way or another through fear (whether it's fear of God, or going to hell, or bad karma). I obviously have no real solution to it, but just wanted to explain my thought process.

by kredd 2y ago

hu3 2y ago

> But actively asserting ideas and beliefs that don’t hold ground in the modern days... You realize that's an opinion right? Not a fact. Such a broad and loaded generalization too. Religion might not have a place in modern society >to you<. Generalizing that opinion is just as radical as trying to impose religion onto others. Not to mention that, just because non-religious groups are also able to become close and social, it doesn't mean that religion doesn't help here too. So there is a flaw in this logic.

kredd 2y ago
Fair, you're right, apologies, I just have a knee-jerk reaction to any commentary that suggests religious indoctrination of children. But again, I still think parts of religious traditions are amazing (like bringing the community together, having pre-set activities, celebrating things together and etc.). The "ideas and beliefs" that I'm against is just the usual paranormal stories that are being push as the objective truth. If someone can extract out the core good things out of the religions (being nice to the neighbour, helping others, decency and etc.) and apply it to the modern world, I will be all for that. And that's kind of what my parents taught me from day 1 as well. Or taking specific activities, how my Jewish friends do, like hosting Friday night Shabbat dinners to bring your friends and family together. The problem is, it's very hard to implement in a larger scale, as you can't push people one way or another through fear (whether it's fear of God, or going to hell, or bad karma). I obviously have no real solution to it, but just wanted to explain my thought process.