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Hm. In Iowa it's thought that 10% of the customers of liquor stores buy 90% of the product moved through the door. That's not 10X the general population. That'

Hm. In Iowa it's thought that 10% of the customers of liquor stores buy 90% of the product moved through the door. That's not 10X the general population. That's 81X. One in nine drink 9X what nine other people do. So, you have a relationship with alcohol, it's likely not a healthy one. It's addiction, all the way down.

chownie 2y ago
I'm confused, you paint a picture in which the majority drink moderately and then say "likely not healthy" but in your example 90% of the customers, the vast majority, don't have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. So if you have a relationship with alcohol it is most likely a healthy one, and it's "addiction all the way down" for... a minority.
- JoeAltmaier 2y ago
  Yeah, well, that majority is likely buying alcohol for events, for celebrations. Not so much a 'relationship with alcohol' as a party favor. Don't drink anything at all the rest of the year. You have a favorite drink, a regular bar, a liquor store that knows you - you are probably one of the ten percent. Believe it or not, most of us don't go to a bar most months of the year.
  - ska 2y ago
    > Don't drink anything at all the rest of the year. That doesn't really match my observations ,or NIH data https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-use-united-states-age-groups-and-demographic-characteristics https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-to... There the majority (18 and over, and slightly under 50% of 12 and over) report consumption in the last month. Of those, a bit under 7% report "heavy usage". You can look up the definitions, but doesn't include e.g. "usually has a beer or two with dinner". The category you describe definitely exists, but I don't think it's anywhere close to a majority, and there are also at least a couple reasonable categories between that problematic or abusive consumption.

chownie 2y ago

I'm confused, you paint a picture in which the majority drink moderately and then say "likely not healthy" but in your example 90% of the customers, the vast majority, don't have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. So if you have a relationship with alcohol it is most likely a healthy one, and it's "addiction all the way down" for... a minority.

JoeAltmaier 2y ago
Yeah, well, that majority is likely buying alcohol for events, for celebrations. Not so much a 'relationship with alcohol' as a party favor. Don't drink anything at all the rest of the year. You have a favorite drink, a regular bar, a liquor store that knows you - you are probably one of the ten percent. Believe it or not, most of us don't go to a bar most months of the year.
- ska 2y ago
  > Don't drink anything at all the rest of the year. That doesn't really match my observations ,or NIH data https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-use-united-states-age-groups-and-demographic-characteristics https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-to... There the majority (18 and over, and slightly under 50% of 12 and over) report consumption in the last month. Of those, a bit under 7% report "heavy usage". You can look up the definitions, but doesn't include e.g. "usually has a beer or two with dinner". The category you describe definitely exists, but I don't think it's anywhere close to a majority, and there are also at least a couple reasonable categories between that problematic or abusive consumption.