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Using robots does not change any financial incentives. This is true for operations as well as diagnosis.

dotancohen 2y ago
Diagnosis is currently extremely subjective. I believe that GP is suggesting that robotic diagnosis will be more objective and determinant. Ostensibly, because financial considerations will not be part of the input to the diagnosis routine. That said, financial considerations will probably still be a big part of the treatment routine.
- lawlessone 2y ago
  You wont be able to ask for a second opinion on anything though. Presumably if they are all the same software they'll give the same opinion.
- Zambyte 2y ago
  > Ostensibly, because financial considerations will not be part of the input to the diagnosis routine. Devices that overreport are likely to be more popular and more common than devices that underreport. That is in part due to the financial incentives associated with diagnosing.
  - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
    > Devices that overreport are likely to be more popular and more common than devices that underreport. I think you're on to something. I bet Henry Schein execs/shareholders haven't felt this much energy since patients first saw their dental issues on 36 inch TVs.
  - grraaaaahhh 2y ago
    To tie in the sibling threads: devices that underreport will also be popular, just with the insurance companies after the fact to help them deny covering procedures. Your lung biopsy come back benign? CignaAI says you shouldn't have had it in the first place so out of pocket for you!
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    Excellent counterpoint, thank you. I hate to admit to being cynical enough to be convinced.
- e_i_pi_2 2y ago
  I'd like to see it change the way dental insurance works, so that e.g. an AI diagnosis will legally be fully covered by the insurance, and anything that can't be verified through that would be considered an elective procedure. In the US dental insurance works basically opposite of health insurance - they only cover the basic checkups and you have to pay for any real medical needs. It's like if car insurance only covered oil changes and tire rotations but not accidents
  - lawlessone 2y ago
    Isn't it already a problem now where insurance companies are denying people cover because some machine learning blackbox says so?
  - CJefferson 2y ago
    You want to trust a ChatGPT system to decide if you should have dental surgery? What happens when you are in crippling pain but "computer says no"?

Diagnosis is currently extremely subjective. I believe that GP is suggesting that robotic diagnosis will be more objective and determinant. Ostensibly, because financial considerations will not be part of the input to the diagnosis routine. That said, financial considerations will probably still be a big part of the treatment routine.

lawlessone 2y ago
You wont be able to ask for a second opinion on anything though. Presumably if they are all the same software they'll give the same opinion.
Zambyte 2y ago
> Ostensibly, because financial considerations will not be part of the input to the diagnosis routine. Devices that overreport are likely to be more popular and more common than devices that underreport. That is in part due to the financial incentives associated with diagnosing.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  > Devices that overreport are likely to be more popular and more common than devices that underreport. I think you're on to something. I bet Henry Schein execs/shareholders haven't felt this much energy since patients first saw their dental issues on 36 inch TVs.
- grraaaaahhh 2y ago
  To tie in the sibling threads: devices that underreport will also be popular, just with the insurance companies after the fact to help them deny covering procedures. Your lung biopsy come back benign? CignaAI says you shouldn't have had it in the first place so out of pocket for you!
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Excellent counterpoint, thank you. I hate to admit to being cynical enough to be convinced.
e_i_pi_2 2y ago
I'd like to see it change the way dental insurance works, so that e.g. an AI diagnosis will legally be fully covered by the insurance, and anything that can't be verified through that would be considered an elective procedure. In the US dental insurance works basically opposite of health insurance - they only cover the basic checkups and you have to pay for any real medical needs. It's like if car insurance only covered oil changes and tire rotations but not accidents
- lawlessone 2y ago
  Isn't it already a problem now where insurance companies are denying people cover because some machine learning blackbox says so?
- CJefferson 2y ago
  You want to trust a ChatGPT system to decide if you should have dental surgery? What happens when you are in crippling pain but "computer says no"?