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I want to get on board with these groups, would really want to be in one. Can't all society be cool and live like this? But. I keep coming back around to, wher

I want to get on board with these groups, would really want to be in one. Can't all society be cool and live like this? But. I keep coming back around to, where are they getting all this stuff. Everything that keeps them going has to be made somewhere, by working stiffs with day jobs. There is no escaping Moloch. These groups are the odd random cast off, and I really want to be them, but everyone can't be them, or their wouldn't be any of the things that keep them going. They are living on the cast offs of the rest of us still in the machine.

throw4847285 2y ago
Have you seen the movie My Dinner with Andre? At its core is a debate over whether or not people need to get to the top of Mount Everest (metaphorically) to have a transcendent experience, and if so, what do you do for the people who can't afford to get to the top of Everest? I've seen the movie several times and I always leave conflicted. I find these kinds of radical departures from "normal life" to be thrilling, even just vicariously. And modern life is constructed in such a way that it's extremely hard to break free from "the machine" (as you call it) without something radical, which is usually inaccessible. I often settle on a more optimistic note, wherein the people living on boats in the ocean are setting some kind of example that even if it can't be followed directly, maybe it can give a little jolt, shocking you out of complacency.
- myaccountonhn 2y ago
  Woah, one of my favorite movies is referenced here. That’s cool to see. I really like your takeaway. It’s very important to have ideas of what life could be, so we have something to work towards as individuals and society. I read a book a while back, passions and the interests, which talks about the philosophical underpinnings of capitalism. It’s interesting to think that capitalism as it was originally conceived was meant to lower our passions in favor of commerce, since it was considered the most tamable vice. No wonder we feel inspired when people choose to try something different.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  Thank you, I'll check it out.
badpun 2y ago
Most people (in rich countries) can retire early if they live frugally enough. There'd be much less workers on the market, so companies would make much less stuff - but frugal living means less consumption and much more reuse anyway, so there wouldn't be shortages or inflation. And everyone, after doing their 10-20 year stint in the industry, would be done with working and free to live. I've pursued this path myself and am happy about it, I just feel sorry for those hundreds of millions of people who are miserable in their jobs and who are waiting for their retirements at 65...

throw4847285 2y ago

Have you seen the movie My Dinner with Andre? At its core is a debate over whether or not people need to get to the top of Mount Everest (metaphorically) to have a transcendent experience, and if so, what do you do for the people who can't afford to get to the top of Everest? I've seen the movie several times and I always leave conflicted. I find these kinds of radical departures from "normal life" to be thrilling, even just vicariously. And modern life is constructed in such a way that it's extremely hard to break free from "the machine" (as you call it) without something radical, which is usually inaccessible. I often settle on a more optimistic note, wherein the people living on boats in the ocean are setting some kind of example that even if it can't be followed directly, maybe it can give a little jolt, shocking you out of complacency.

myaccountonhn 2y ago
Woah, one of my favorite movies is referenced here. That’s cool to see. I really like your takeaway. It’s very important to have ideas of what life could be, so we have something to work towards as individuals and society. I read a book a while back, passions and the interests, which talks about the philosophical underpinnings of capitalism. It’s interesting to think that capitalism as it was originally conceived was meant to lower our passions in favor of commerce, since it was considered the most tamable vice. No wonder we feel inspired when people choose to try something different.
FrustratedMonky 2y ago
Thank you, I'll check it out.

badpun 2y ago

Most people (in rich countries) can retire early if they live frugally enough. There'd be much less workers on the market, so companies would make much less stuff - but frugal living means less consumption and much more reuse anyway, so there wouldn't be shortages or inflation. And everyone, after doing their 10-20 year stint in the industry, would be done with working and free to live. I've pursued this path myself and am happy about it, I just feel sorry for those hundreds of millions of people who are miserable in their jobs and who are waiting for their retirements at 65...