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I didn't suggest that there is no supportive evidence between race and drug policy, but that fact does not imply that there is a causal relationship in this cas

I didn't suggest that there is no supportive evidence between race and drug policy, but that fact does not imply that there is a causal relationship in this case. Citing Nixon era documents to describe pre-WWI circumstances is evidence at least as poor as that which I presented.

jrflowers 2y ago
The article itself cites in the first paragraph this much more detailed analysis of the topic, which may provide the historical context that you felt was lacking. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26391000?mag=who-took-the-cocaine-out-of-coca-cola https://www.jstor.org/stable/26391000?mag=who-took-the-cocai...
- argiopetech 2y ago
  Thank you for this reference. I had overlooked it. While this article confirms my assertion that whites were the majority of drug users, the drug of choice is stated to have been racially segregated (with whites preferring opiates). Based on this, I'll accept (pending further research) that the southern bans on cocaine were racially motivated. I'd still consider the 1914 federal ban on a wider swath of drugs to be less so.
  - mynameisvlad 2y ago
    You really like going out of your way to pretend things aren’t racially motivated, don’t you? You spent two paragraphs just to end it with an apprehensive concession at best.
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      I’m not sure why someone would pick the 1914 ban as being uniquely not racially influenced. That seems arbitrary and could mostly only be backed up by not reading about it. The main difference between the 1914 ban and previous actions was the degree of added emphasis put on caricatures of Chinese people. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/08/14/how-did-we-get-here https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/08/14/how-did-... https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,962287,00.html https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,962... https://web.archive.org/web/20080705050104/http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3042936.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080705050104/http://www.hoover... https://www.nytimes.com/1914/02/08/archives/negro-cocaine-fiends-are-a-new-southern-menace-murder-and-insanity.html https://www.nytimes.com/1914/02/08/archives/negro-cocaine-fi... https://archive.org/details/cu31924032583225 https://archive.org/details/cu31924032583225

jrflowers 2y ago

The article itself cites in the first paragraph this much more detailed analysis of the topic, which may provide the historical context that you felt was lacking. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26391000?mag=who-took-the-cocaine-out-of-coca-cola https://www.jstor.org/stable/26391000?mag=who-took-the-cocai...

argiopetech 2y ago
Thank you for this reference. I had overlooked it. While this article confirms my assertion that whites were the majority of drug users, the drug of choice is stated to have been racially segregated (with whites preferring opiates). Based on this, I'll accept (pending further research) that the southern bans on cocaine were racially motivated. I'd still consider the 1914 federal ban on a wider swath of drugs to be less so.
- mynameisvlad 2y ago
  You really like going out of your way to pretend things aren’t racially motivated, don’t you? You spent two paragraphs just to end it with an apprehensive concession at best.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    I’m not sure why someone would pick the 1914 ban as being uniquely not racially influenced. That seems arbitrary and could mostly only be backed up by not reading about it. The main difference between the 1914 ban and previous actions was the degree of added emphasis put on caricatures of Chinese people. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/08/14/how-did-we-get-here https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/08/14/how-did-... https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,962287,00.html https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,962... https://web.archive.org/web/20080705050104/http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3042936.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080705050104/http://www.hoover... https://www.nytimes.com/1914/02/08/archives/negro-cocaine-fiends-are-a-new-southern-menace-murder-and-insanity.html https://www.nytimes.com/1914/02/08/archives/negro-cocaine-fi... https://archive.org/details/cu31924032583225 https://archive.org/details/cu31924032583225