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You can't report it to Cloudflare in any meaningfully straightforward way and expect them to take it down. Even if you go through Cloudflare's incredibly labori

You can't report it to Cloudflare in any meaningfully straightforward way and expect them to take it down. Even if you go through Cloudflare's incredibly laborious and intentionally problem riddled abuse complaint process, and even if they take down one instance, bad actors can make thousands or tens of thousands (or more), so reporting this does effectively nothing. Cloudflare is enshittifying the Internet once again. (I don't care if this gets downvoted by CF fans - not a single one will engage meaningfully about any point asserted here)

paxys 2y ago
Like I said, how is it different from Google Drive or Dropbox or OneDrive or S3 or WeTransfer or MegaUpload or Bit.ly or a million similar services anyone can set up in a matter of minutes? If someone shares a random URL and you click on it and download and run an executable on your computer, the server that hosted the file isn't the one to blame.
- autoexec 2y ago
  Most sites are better about preventing and handling abuse of their service. When a service makes it difficult to report abuse to them, or fails to act on the abuse reports they get, they are the ones to blame. Scammers and assholes will always exist. It's the responsibility of everyone operating a service on the internet to make sure that their service isn't acting as a safe-haven for those criminals and bad actors. Google is somehow worse than cloudflare is. I heard recently that Google won't even accept an abuse complaint for docs.google.com unless you create and sign into a google account.
- johnklos 2y ago
  You can report a link that points to content on Google Drive or Dropbox or OneDrive or S3 or WeTransfer or MegaUpload or Bit.ly. Do you think that links pointing to any of those services are in any way anonymous? It's not complicated.
  - paxys 2y ago
    Report it to who exactly? The internet police?
    - johnklos 2y ago
      You report Google Drive links to Google, Dropbox links to Dropbox, OneDrive links to Microsoft, S3 links to Amazon, WeTransfer links to WeTransfer, MegaUpload links to MegaUpload, and Bit.ly links to Bit.ly.
      - fch42 2y ago
        and Cloudflare links to Cloudflare, https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/reporting-abuse/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/reporting-abuse/ Apocryphally saying "they all suck at this but Cloudflare sucks most" is just moaning. Any free/near-free hosting or caching service can be used to distribute malware. Mail services have been used to push malware for decades, and while many of them filter content, that's a cat&mouse game a determined malactor will occasionally win. Are they really "so much worse" than anyone else ? (ex-CF so pillory me for ex-cusing my ex-employer; as said, to me, "all cooks use water")
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        johnklos 2y ago
        Have you tried to report abuse to Cloudflare? First, their abuse reporting page has issues. The amount of data allowed to be pasted is very limited and won't allow the full content of most spam. If you paste the full amount, you can't submit, and you won't know why - you have to go and remove some content. It's rate limited so that even a human reporting multiple items has to sit and wait. You're forced to provide a URL that points to Cloudflare servers, meaning there's no way to report abusive domains for which they're the registrar and/or for whom they host DNS. They have a CAPTCHA on the abuse reporting form. I could go on, but it's tedious. This company spent YEARS saying that they don't "host" anything, and they still play games in that their abuse reporting doesn't reflect any of the offerings that've been added in the last several years. They don't even have a category for spam! So yes, they are "so much worse" than anyone else. They actively skirt responsibility.

paxys 2y ago

Like I said, how is it different from Google Drive or Dropbox or OneDrive or S3 or WeTransfer or MegaUpload or Bit.ly or a million similar services anyone can set up in a matter of minutes? If someone shares a random URL and you click on it and download and run an executable on your computer, the server that hosted the file isn't the one to blame.

autoexec 2y ago
Most sites are better about preventing and handling abuse of their service. When a service makes it difficult to report abuse to them, or fails to act on the abuse reports they get, they are the ones to blame. Scammers and assholes will always exist. It's the responsibility of everyone operating a service on the internet to make sure that their service isn't acting as a safe-haven for those criminals and bad actors. Google is somehow worse than cloudflare is. I heard recently that Google won't even accept an abuse complaint for docs.google.com unless you create and sign into a google account.
johnklos 2y ago
You can report a link that points to content on Google Drive or Dropbox or OneDrive or S3 or WeTransfer or MegaUpload or Bit.ly. Do you think that links pointing to any of those services are in any way anonymous? It's not complicated.
- paxys 2y ago
  Report it to who exactly? The internet police?
  - johnklos 2y ago
    You report Google Drive links to Google, Dropbox links to Dropbox, OneDrive links to Microsoft, S3 links to Amazon, WeTransfer links to WeTransfer, MegaUpload links to MegaUpload, and Bit.ly links to Bit.ly.
    - fch42 2y ago
      and Cloudflare links to Cloudflare, https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/reporting-abuse/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/reporting-abuse/ Apocryphally saying "they all suck at this but Cloudflare sucks most" is just moaning. Any free/near-free hosting or caching service can be used to distribute malware. Mail services have been used to push malware for decades, and while many of them filter content, that's a cat&mouse game a determined malactor will occasionally win. Are they really "so much worse" than anyone else ? (ex-CF so pillory me for ex-cusing my ex-employer; as said, to me, "all cooks use water")
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      - johnklos 2y ago
        Have you tried to report abuse to Cloudflare? First, their abuse reporting page has issues. The amount of data allowed to be pasted is very limited and won't allow the full content of most spam. If you paste the full amount, you can't submit, and you won't know why - you have to go and remove some content. It's rate limited so that even a human reporting multiple items has to sit and wait. You're forced to provide a URL that points to Cloudflare servers, meaning there's no way to report abusive domains for which they're the registrar and/or for whom they host DNS. They have a CAPTCHA on the abuse reporting form. I could go on, but it's tedious. This company spent YEARS saying that they don't "host" anything, and they still play games in that their abuse reporting doesn't reflect any of the offerings that've been added in the last several years. They don't even have a category for spam! So yes, they are "so much worse" than anyone else. They actively skirt responsibility.