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Interesting that in a conflict involving only men, somehow there's still a cheap image of an unattractive woman being tossed around by the Oatmeal. Feels kind o
by esbwhat 14y ago
Interesting that in a conflict involving only men, somehow there's still a cheap image of an unattractive woman being tossed around by the Oatmeal. Feels kind of mysoginistic. Would the image have the same effect if it was a man? Doubt it.
- jack-r-abbit 14y agoWhile it probably would have carried the same emotional sting if he'd said, "Here's a picture of your dad trying to get some dolphin love", there is a time honored set of jokes entirely devoted to disparaging another person's mother... many of which involve some over exaggerated take on their mother being fat and/or ugly. Although I am not aware of any that involve bear love. For more information you might check if Google has any suggestions for "yo' mama jokes".
- esbwhat 14y agoI know it exists, but my point is that it's mysoginistic.
- jack-r-abbit 14y agoMisogyny: The hatred or dislike of women or girls I know it exists, but I don't see it here.
- flogic 14y agoNo, it's there. It's just so ingrained most people don't notice it. Insults like that are almost always targeted at the target directly or the women around them. That's because society places women on a weaker level. Also notice the emphasis on fat and ugly. It implies that if a woman isn't pretty she isn't to be valued. In terms of misogyny in our society, it fairly mild. However, it still qualifies because it exploits the general power imbalance.
- jack-r-abbit 14y agoNo, it's not. People fought hard for women to be treated equal. You can't pick and choose what you want to be treated equal on and what you want special treatment on. Either everyone is fair game for jokes or nobody is. Which is it? edit: also, misogyny is about a hate or dislike of women (which would imply all women... or it would have said a woman). So while it does exist in ways that some assholes have a messed up view against all women... a cartoon depicting a fat woman chasing a bear is not making any sort of statement of hate of women... or even just hate of fat women. This cartoon is a fat woman chasing a bear. If it was a fat man chasing a bear... then it would be a cartoon of a fat man chasing a bear. If it was a skinny man with a mohawk chasing a purple bear on roller skates then it would be a cartoon about a skinny man with a mohawk chasing a purple bear on roller skates. But the second there is a woman involved... holy crap that cartoonist is being misogynistic? I don't buy it.
- esbwhat 14y ago>You can't pick and choose what you want to be treated equal on and what you want special treatment on. Either everyone is fair game for jokes or nobody is. Which is it? This is a very optimistic world view. If people tend to continuously harrass black people, even for something that is obviously in the nature of the insult, racist (e.g. calling them stupid athletes or something), would you have that same stance? Either everyone is fair game or no one is, so it's okay to keep making fun of that black guy, cause he's allowed to make fun of us as well? The point is that it's not fair game. This is a conflict involving no women. Yet we still see one being attacked, in a way that you can't really attack a man. You can call a man unattractive, but insults along those lines don't have the same punch, because men aren't defined by the way they look, they're not being objectified. Even when you are using it negatively, it's still objectification. And the other point is that it's always women. I don't hear very many "your daddy" jokes.
- jack-r-abbit 14y agoThere is a difference between making fun of someone that is a woman and making fun of some one because they are a woman. But logic fails when emotions get involved. I'm done with this stupid argument.
- MortenK 14y agoOh come on.