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Nomination for RSC's greatest technical contribution: module versioning. Absolutely fundamental to the language ecosystem. https://research.swtch.com/vgo-intr

Nomination for RSC's greatest technical contribution: module versioning. Absolutely fundamental to the language ecosystem. https://research.swtch.com/vgo-intro https://research.swtch.com/vgo-intro

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kiitos 2y ago
Fundamentally broken model of versioning, but I guess nobody really cares.
- jeremyloy_wt 2y ago
  Can you elaborate on what problems you have with the MVS algorithm?
nvarsj 2y ago
Not really a fan at all. Dep and its predecessors followed kiss principles, were easy to reason about, and had great support for vendoring. I’ve wasted so much time dealing with “module hell” in go, that I never dealt with in the prior years of go usage. I think it has some major flaws for external (outside Google) usage.
maxmcd 2y ago
Agreed, see the index of those posts: https://research.swtch.com/vgo https://research.swtch.com/vgo Other contenders I find myself sharing and re-reading: - https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html - https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html - https://research.swtch.com/bisect https://research.swtch.com/bisect - https://research.swtch.com/zip https://research.swtch.com/zip
agumonkey 2y ago
One I enjoyed a lot (a lot) was this one https://research.swtch.com/pcdata https://research.swtch.com/pcdata Hope he gives us more in the future thanks rsc
trustno2 2y ago
The interesting thing is - this went pretty much against the community at the time. At the time, the community seemed to have settled on dep - a different, more npm-like way of locking dependencies. rsc said "nope this doesn't work" and made his own, better version. And there was some wailing and gnashing of teeth, but also a lot of rejoicing. That makes me a bit sad that rsc is leaving. On the other hand, I don't really like the recent iterator changes, so maybe it's all good. Btw if you reading this rsc, thanks a lot for everything, go really changed my life (for the better).
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- yencabulator 2y ago
  Plenty of people in the community considered dep way too messy to be the real solution.
- nasretdinov 2y ago
  Iterators definitely have one of the strangest syntaxes I've seen, but if you promise not to break the language you better not introduce new syntax without a Major reason (like generics, but even those actually introduced next to no new syntax, even re-using interfaces o_O).
  - foldr 2y ago
    Iterators don’t really introduce any new syntax, strange or otherwise.
    - jdnendjjd 2y ago
      That's what he said
      - foldr 2y ago
        In part of the comment yes, kind of, but the comment begins by saying "Iterators definitely have one of the strangest syntaxes I've seen". As there is no syntax specific to iterators in Go, I find this a bit hard to understand.

Nomination for RSC's greatest technical contribution: module versioning. Absolutely fundamental to the language ecosystem. https://research.swtch.com/vgo-intro https://research.swtch.com/vgo-intro

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kiitos 2y ago

Fundamentally broken model of versioning, but I guess nobody really cares.

jeremyloy_wt 2y ago
Can you elaborate on what problems you have with the MVS algorithm?

nvarsj 2y ago

Not really a fan at all. Dep and its predecessors followed kiss principles, were easy to reason about, and had great support for vendoring. I’ve wasted so much time dealing with “module hell” in go, that I never dealt with in the prior years of go usage. I think it has some major flaws for external (outside Google) usage.

maxmcd 2y ago

Agreed, see the index of those posts: https://research.swtch.com/vgo https://research.swtch.com/vgo Other contenders I find myself sharing and re-reading: - https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html - https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html - https://research.swtch.com/bisect https://research.swtch.com/bisect - https://research.swtch.com/zip https://research.swtch.com/zip

agumonkey 2y ago

One I enjoyed a lot (a lot) was this one https://research.swtch.com/pcdata https://research.swtch.com/pcdata Hope he gives us more in the future thanks rsc

trustno2 2y ago

The interesting thing is - this went pretty much against the community at the time. At the time, the community seemed to have settled on dep - a different, more npm-like way of locking dependencies. rsc said "nope this doesn't work" and made his own, better version. And there was some wailing and gnashing of teeth, but also a lot of rejoicing. That makes me a bit sad that rsc is leaving. On the other hand, I don't really like the recent iterator changes, so maybe it's all good. Btw if you reading this rsc, thanks a lot for everything, go really changed my life (for the better).

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yencabulator 2y ago
Plenty of people in the community considered dep way too messy to be the real solution.
nasretdinov 2y ago
Iterators definitely have one of the strangest syntaxes I've seen, but if you promise not to break the language you better not introduce new syntax without a Major reason (like generics, but even those actually introduced next to no new syntax, even re-using interfaces o_O).
- foldr 2y ago
  Iterators don’t really introduce any new syntax, strange or otherwise.
  - jdnendjjd 2y ago
    That's what he said
    - foldr 2y ago
      In part of the comment yes, kind of, but the comment begins by saying "Iterators definitely have one of the strangest syntaxes I've seen". As there is no syntax specific to iterators in Go, I find this a bit hard to understand.