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I think your comment is a great example of a ruthless and cuthtroat nature that we're seeing with "insensitivity pushed policies". To call something unkind when

by monksy 2y ago

I think your comment is a great example of a ruthless and cuthtroat nature that we're seeing with "insensitivity pushed policies". To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. Contextually (for those who didn't suffer through the Nickleback age) Nickleback was a highly overplayed ban that produced similarly sounding songs with very weak albums with "one hit wonders". It spawned it's own genre called Butt Rock. It's a sign of a monopoly held by the music industry to influence what you heard and how much you heard it on the radio. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Butt%20Rock https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Butt%20Rock The way I see it is that the feature is a confirming nod to the users' sense of humor and it gives an application a bit of personality. We used to have easter eggs, boss modes, and suprises in applications. (I think excel had a full on game built in) Now it's all about a commoditize labor pushing code out to deliever underdeveloped features on an unreasonable timeline.

kelnos 2y ago
> To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. I don't agree, especially considering that the option was enabled by default. Taste is something that's often dear to a person, and telling someone they have bad taste is rude. I've been trying over time to stop saying "this sucks" and instead say "I'm not a fan of this", when talking about pretty much anything subjective that's a matter of taste: music, TV, movies, art, food, architecture, etc. It's a way to recognize that I'm not the absolute arbiter of taste, and that what I like and don't like doesn't represent any sort of absolute positive or negative about anything. > The way I see it is that the feature is a confirming nod to the users' sense of humor and it gives an application a bit of personality. No, it's a nod to the developer's sense of humor. Regardless of Nickelback's provenance and their style of music (I was not a fan of them back then, but, again, I'm not the arbiter of what is good and bad, and neither are you), there were some people who did genuinely like them. Shitting on those people (especially when you're selling a product!) is just tacky and rude. > We used to have easter eggs, boss modes, and suprises in applications. (I think excel had a full on game built in) Yes, and, by and large, those things are positive, joyful things. They weren't dissing a particular type of person who likes a particular type of $THING or $ACTIVITY. And when they were, they tended to fall flat, like this music app's unkind option. I agree that there are unfortunately fewer easter eggs out there now, but I don't think that has anything to do with whether or not this particular feature is a good or bad easter egg. I'll close with: > I think your comment is a great example of a ruthless and cuthtroat nature that we're seeing with "insensitivity pushed policies". To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. Maybe look in the mirror a for a bit; calling the GP's comment "ruthless and cutthroat" is the real absurd overreaction here.
- azthecx 2y ago
  As an aside to changing your wording so slightly, everyone with two fingers of forehead will very quickly determine that whenever you say "this sucks" it's your biased personal opinion. Maybe such a strong statement from you will cause some people not to mention that they actually like X but, functionally, they will just ignore your opinion on this topic and move on.
  - kerkeslager 2y ago
    If someone goes out of their way to say Nickelback sucks, sure, obviously that's their biased personal opinion. But the bias that leads to saying Nickelback sucks is going to show up in all sorts of other areas and cause much worse problems. If you hate Nickelback because it's popular to hate Nickelback, I have to wonder what other things do you hate because it's popular to hate them?
    - monksy 2y ago
      (cause much worse problems) Like what, making Chad Kuger make more IG reels where he's annoyed by still touring and people who don't go shitting on the band?
      - kerkeslager 2y ago
        No, like hating a child[1]. Or like hating furries. Or trans people. Or black people. Or any other people it's popular to hate, even though there's no good reason to hate them. And that's setting aside more nuanced discussions which you've already demonstrated yourself incapable of having, because your hatred is more important to you than basic reasoning. One effect of your Nickelback hate which affects you personally, is that whenever Nickelback comes up, you make yourself less likeable than Nickelback to most listeners whenever you talk about them. I think less of you for holding this opinion, and I'm not the only one. Your hatred is indefensible. Why even form an opinion on this? It literally only makes things worse for everyone, especially for you. I mean, I don't particularly care for Nickelback myself, so I do what any sane person does when they don't care for a band: I don't think about them. I probably haven't thought of Nickelback in 5 years before this conversation. Right now I'm actually a little curious and might go listen to them since I literally don't remember what they sound like. [1] Remember Rebecca Black?
kerkeslager 2y ago
> I think your comment is a great example of a ruthless and cuthtroat nature that we're seeing with "insensitivity pushed policies". To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. 1. You don't know me at all if you think I'm pushing "insensitivity pushed policies". I'm not pushing "policies" at all, I'm encouraging people to be kind and to use their brains to figure out what "kind" is, instead of piling onto hating something. 2. You drastically overestimated the tone of my post if you think it's "ruthless and cutthroat". I don't think it's kind to ridicule a band or it's fans, but it's not that big a deal. Remember where I said, "albeit a minor one"? If hating something as bland as Nickelback is the hill you choose to die on, I dunno man, maybe pick better battles? > Contextually (for those who didn't suffer through the Nickleback age) Nickleback was a highly overplayed ban that produced similarly sounding songs with very weak albums with "one hit wonders". It spawned it's own genre called Butt Rock. It's a sign of a monopoly held by the music industry to influence what you heard and how much you heard it on the radio. Eh, I wouldn't say I like Nickelback; their music bores me a bit. But a) they're people, and b) people are allowed to like what they like. > The way I see it is that the feature is a confirming nod to the users' sense of humor and it gives an application a bit of personality. We used to have easter eggs, boss modes, and suprises in applications. (I think excel had a full on game built in) Yeah, and those things are pretty different from a mean-spirited joke at someone else's expense. > Now it's all about a commoditize labor pushing code out to deliever underdeveloped features on an unreasonable timeline. Bro, look at my comment history. I'm definitely not about commoditizing labor. :D

by monksy 2y ago

kelnos 2y ago

> To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. I don't agree, especially considering that the option was enabled by default. Taste is something that's often dear to a person, and telling someone they have bad taste is rude. I've been trying over time to stop saying "this sucks" and instead say "I'm not a fan of this", when talking about pretty much anything subjective that's a matter of taste: music, TV, movies, art, food, architecture, etc. It's a way to recognize that I'm not the absolute arbiter of taste, and that what I like and don't like doesn't represent any sort of absolute positive or negative about anything. > The way I see it is that the feature is a confirming nod to the users' sense of humor and it gives an application a bit of personality. No, it's a nod to the developer's sense of humor. Regardless of Nickelback's provenance and their style of music (I was not a fan of them back then, but, again, I'm not the arbiter of what is good and bad, and neither are you), there were some people who did genuinely like them. Shitting on those people (especially when you're selling a product!) is just tacky and rude. > We used to have easter eggs, boss modes, and suprises in applications. (I think excel had a full on game built in) Yes, and, by and large, those things are positive, joyful things. They weren't dissing a particular type of person who likes a particular type of $THING or $ACTIVITY. And when they were, they tended to fall flat, like this music app's unkind option. I agree that there are unfortunately fewer easter eggs out there now, but I don't think that has anything to do with whether or not this particular feature is a good or bad easter egg. I'll close with: > I think your comment is a great example of a ruthless and cuthtroat nature that we're seeing with "insensitivity pushed policies". To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. Maybe look in the mirror a for a bit; calling the GP's comment "ruthless and cutthroat" is the real absurd overreaction here.

azthecx 2y ago
As an aside to changing your wording so slightly, everyone with two fingers of forehead will very quickly determine that whenever you say "this sucks" it's your biased personal opinion. Maybe such a strong statement from you will cause some people not to mention that they actually like X but, functionally, they will just ignore your opinion on this topic and move on.
- kerkeslager 2y ago
  If someone goes out of their way to say Nickelback sucks, sure, obviously that's their biased personal opinion. But the bias that leads to saying Nickelback sucks is going to show up in all sorts of other areas and cause much worse problems. If you hate Nickelback because it's popular to hate Nickelback, I have to wonder what other things do you hate because it's popular to hate them?
  - monksy 2y ago
    (cause much worse problems) Like what, making Chad Kuger make more IG reels where he's annoyed by still touring and people who don't go shitting on the band?
    - kerkeslager 2y ago
      No, like hating a child[1]. Or like hating furries. Or trans people. Or black people. Or any other people it's popular to hate, even though there's no good reason to hate them. And that's setting aside more nuanced discussions which you've already demonstrated yourself incapable of having, because your hatred is more important to you than basic reasoning. One effect of your Nickelback hate which affects you personally, is that whenever Nickelback comes up, you make yourself less likeable than Nickelback to most listeners whenever you talk about them. I think less of you for holding this opinion, and I'm not the only one. Your hatred is indefensible. Why even form an opinion on this? It literally only makes things worse for everyone, especially for you. I mean, I don't particularly care for Nickelback myself, so I do what any sane person does when they don't care for a band: I don't think about them. I probably haven't thought of Nickelback in 5 years before this conversation. Right now I'm actually a little curious and might go listen to them since I literally don't remember what they sound like. [1] Remember Rebecca Black?

kerkeslager 2y ago

> I think your comment is a great example of a ruthless and cuthtroat nature that we're seeing with "insensitivity pushed policies". To call something unkind when making an option to refuse to play nickleback is absurd and an overrecation. 1. You don't know me at all if you think I'm pushing "insensitivity pushed policies". I'm not pushing "policies" at all, I'm encouraging people to be kind and to use their brains to figure out what "kind" is, instead of piling onto hating something. 2. You drastically overestimated the tone of my post if you think it's "ruthless and cutthroat". I don't think it's kind to ridicule a band or it's fans, but it's not that big a deal. Remember where I said, "albeit a minor one"? If hating something as bland as Nickelback is the hill you choose to die on, I dunno man, maybe pick better battles? > Contextually (for those who didn't suffer through the Nickleback age) Nickleback was a highly overplayed ban that produced similarly sounding songs with very weak albums with "one hit wonders". It spawned it's own genre called Butt Rock. It's a sign of a monopoly held by the music industry to influence what you heard and how much you heard it on the radio. Eh, I wouldn't say I like Nickelback; their music bores me a bit. But a) they're people, and b) people are allowed to like what they like. > The way I see it is that the feature is a confirming nod to the users' sense of humor and it gives an application a bit of personality. We used to have easter eggs, boss modes, and suprises in applications. (I think excel had a full on game built in) Yeah, and those things are pretty different from a mean-spirited joke at someone else's expense. > Now it's all about a commoditize labor pushing code out to deliever underdeveloped features on an unreasonable timeline. Bro, look at my comment history. I'm definitely not about commoditizing labor. :D