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Are you actually surprised or is this just a turn of phrase? Because there are very good, fairly obvious reasons to prefer Ozempic over an amphetamine for weig

Are you actually surprised or is this just a turn of phrase? Because there are very good, fairly obvious reasons to prefer Ozempic over an amphetamine for weight loss.

touisteur 2y ago
Isn't it part of the plot of Requiem for a Dream ?
- qwerty456127 2y ago
  Which obviously is dramatically exaggerated because it literally is a drama and a masterpiece of propaganda. Although I don't recommend trying it at home without supervision of a competent doctor and believe there are numerous people to whom it did more harm than good, I still am sure there are many people sustainably taking amphetamines (some even black market) for no harm at all and for great good managing their ADHD and appetite successfully.
  - touisteur 2y ago
    Yes of course. Although my two DTs and tapering off the bottle gave me a new appreciation to this movie. Reality can be far worse than Aronofsky's worst.
- swader999 2y ago
  Flowers for Algernon.
- FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
  Beat me to it. That movie hits like a ton of bricks.
TaylorAlexander 2y ago
Well in my case, it turns out the benefits of adderall are extremely helpful. I can’t imagine I’m the only one who at 39 years old still had never tried adderall and also struggled with weight loss, who finds the combination of effects beneficial. Meanwhile when I consider ozempic myself instead, I’d get the weight loss but not the focus benefit I’ve sorely needed. I am really not the type to seek a “weight loss drug” so I don’t know the state of mind of those who do (big fan of the Maintenance Phase podcast!), it just seems to me if people want focus and weight loss at the same time they might want to consider it. I see some “it’s an amphetamine” like that means it’s obviously bad. But I guess we all know that “glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists” are totally fine, sure. I think I would posit that amphetamines are more well understood, but I’m no expert. Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation.
- gwbas1c 2y ago
  > Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation. Here's the thing... Unless you (err, uhm) need an amphetamine, they really have nasty side effects and can lead to serious health problems. IE, in the 1960s and 1970s they were used for weight loss, and they were pulled from the market for good reason. You can go do the digging needed to find out why, but the cliff notes reason is that amphetamines increase risk of heart attack, and for many people cause amphetamine psychosis when used for extended periods of time.
  - samstave 2y ago
    + @TaylorAlexander You'll both love this Joe Rogan Guest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJIcqwARk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJIcqwARk >>Norman Ohler is an author and screenwriter whose books include "Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany," "The Bohemians: The Lovers Who Led Germany's Resistance Against the Nazis," and "Tripped: Nazi Germany, The CIA and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age." He talks a lot about the history of the making of and marketing and use of meth from its discovery and used by nazis, military, cia, etc... Its fantasic.
- 93po 2y ago
  the problem with adderall is you build a tolerance, which means its efficacy drops to zero, and with it also the side effects (appetite suppression). adderall also has some extermely intolerable side effects for a lot of people
  - astrange 2y ago
    > the problem with adderall is you build a tolerance, which means its efficacy drops to zero, and with it also the side effects (appetite suppression). This doesn't have to happen. Many people (including me) happily stay on the same dose for years. Most common fix is take magnesium supplements (threonate is best, oxide worst), but in general Adderall/Vyvanse effects are unusually sensitive to your diet.
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Are you actually surprised or is this just a turn of phrase? Because there are very good, fairly obvious reasons to prefer Ozempic over an amphetamine for weight loss.

touisteur 2y ago

Isn't it part of the plot of Requiem for a Dream ?

qwerty456127 2y ago
Which obviously is dramatically exaggerated because it literally is a drama and a masterpiece of propaganda. Although I don't recommend trying it at home without supervision of a competent doctor and believe there are numerous people to whom it did more harm than good, I still am sure there are many people sustainably taking amphetamines (some even black market) for no harm at all and for great good managing their ADHD and appetite successfully.
- touisteur 2y ago
  Yes of course. Although my two DTs and tapering off the bottle gave me a new appreciation to this movie. Reality can be far worse than Aronofsky's worst.
swader999 2y ago
Flowers for Algernon.
FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
Beat me to it. That movie hits like a ton of bricks.

TaylorAlexander 2y ago

Well in my case, it turns out the benefits of adderall are extremely helpful. I can’t imagine I’m the only one who at 39 years old still had never tried adderall and also struggled with weight loss, who finds the combination of effects beneficial. Meanwhile when I consider ozempic myself instead, I’d get the weight loss but not the focus benefit I’ve sorely needed. I am really not the type to seek a “weight loss drug” so I don’t know the state of mind of those who do (big fan of the Maintenance Phase podcast!), it just seems to me if people want focus and weight loss at the same time they might want to consider it. I see some “it’s an amphetamine” like that means it’s obviously bad. But I guess we all know that “glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists” are totally fine, sure. I think I would posit that amphetamines are more well understood, but I’m no expert. Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation.

gwbas1c 2y ago
> Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation. Here's the thing... Unless you (err, uhm) need an amphetamine, they really have nasty side effects and can lead to serious health problems. IE, in the 1960s and 1970s they were used for weight loss, and they were pulled from the market for good reason. You can go do the digging needed to find out why, but the cliff notes reason is that amphetamines increase risk of heart attack, and for many people cause amphetamine psychosis when used for extended periods of time.
- samstave 2y ago
  + @TaylorAlexander You'll both love this Joe Rogan Guest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJIcqwARk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJIcqwARk >>Norman Ohler is an author and screenwriter whose books include "Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany," "The Bohemians: The Lovers Who Led Germany's Resistance Against the Nazis," and "Tripped: Nazi Germany, The CIA and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age." He talks a lot about the history of the making of and marketing and use of meth from its discovery and used by nazis, military, cia, etc... Its fantasic.
93po 2y ago
the problem with adderall is you build a tolerance, which means its efficacy drops to zero, and with it also the side effects (appetite suppression). adderall also has some extermely intolerable side effects for a lot of people
- astrange 2y ago
  > the problem with adderall is you build a tolerance, which means its efficacy drops to zero, and with it also the side effects (appetite suppression). This doesn't have to happen. Many people (including me) happily stay on the same dose for years. Most common fix is take magnesium supplements (threonate is best, oxide worst), but in general Adderall/Vyvanse effects are unusually sensitive to your diet.
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