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TS;SI: Unless you have a receipt for "A new kind of science" AND "Gödel, Escher, Bach" You can forget figuring out if you know what you are saying: Rule 110 is
by ForOldHack 2y ago
TS;SI: Unless you have a receipt for "A new kind of science" AND "Gödel, Escher, Bach" You can forget figuring out if you know what you are saying: Rule 110 is Turing complete. Mathematica, for which the proof of Rule 110 is Turing Complete. C++ The programming language, for which Mathemetica is written in, is Turing Complete. All the theory is correct, BUT any implementation of Rule 110, Mathemetica and C++ are NOT Turing Complete, even if you turned every atom in the universe into the tape of a Turing machine, because the universe is finite. It has a finite number of atoms, but the theory?
You have made an arbitrary causal network between the idea of Rule 110, and its implementation in C++. Its arbitrary, and minds much greater than yours can enjoy and understand this distinction, as does Stephen, and I. See Pages 770ff.
You can compile rule 110 into a Mathemetica notebook, you can output it in x86 assembler. Since they are the same, i.e. they produce the exact outputs, and can determine computability
"Turing completeness is a term in computer science that describes the ability of a system to compute any possible calculation or program, and can be used to describe modern programming languages (Python, C++, etc.). Turing complete describes a programmable system that can solve any computational problem."
Now, how about a little bit of reading?
https://philarchive.org/archive/CASOTC-3 https://philarchive.org/archive/CASOTC-3
"Virtually all programming languages today are Turing-complete."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness
- djtriptych 2y agoNot sure it's true that there are a finite number of "atoms" or particles with quantum fluctuations + uncertainty around singularities but would love a smart person to chime in on that.
- jvanderbot 2y agoA better way of saying it is that the universe has a limited amount of information it can contain.
- shagie 2y agoPBS Space Time - How Much Information is in the Universe? https://youtu.be/XxVlGAFX7vA https://youtu.be/XxVlGAFX7vA It is a finite number and it's a big number, but still finite (and proven). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekenstein_bound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekenstein_bound Also the playlist Understanding the Holographic Universe from PBS Space Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKj0YnKANw&list=PLsPUh22kYmNCHVpiXDJyAcRJ8gluQtOJR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKj0YnKANw&list=PLsPUh22kYm... and Entropy Explained! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhy4Z_32kQo&list=PLsPUh22kYmNCzNFNDwxIug8q1Zz0Mj60H https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhy4Z_32kQo&list=PLsPUh22kYm...
- jvanderbot 2y agoOK, informative, but far too snarky. But the gist is that turing completeness even limited by finite universes is still turing completeness in the most interesting interpretation.