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This is absolutely true. Sonu is an AI music creator. Regardless of music style, I can immediately identify it. There are some very obvious (to me, anyway) mus

by ksaj 2y ago

This is absolutely true. Sonu is an AI music creator. Regardless of music style, I can immediately identify it. There are some very obvious (to me, anyway) musical choices it makes with both notes, and their delivery. Rick Beato (YouTube music personality, for lack of a better description) pointed out his kids can tell, but he can't. I think, at least with Sonu, the moment the sound clicks, you can't not hear it when it's there, whether the song is pop, metal, country, classical... it has that specific sound that can't be ignored when you notice it.

j45 2y ago
Udio is trippy in its own way like this. Sometimes it sounds like every singers voice that can fit a genre can be heard at once unless you specify it.
j45 2y ago
Udio seems to pull it off more often. The other day I had someone mention to me their copywriting prompts were still looking basic.. and right away I knew his process was basic or dated.
Nursie 2y ago
Try out udio. I was absolutely blown away by it. It's clear that it has been trained on everyone's real output, ever, and their "You can't request the styles of real artists" is just a figleaf. But the output is impressive.
- ksaj 2y ago
  The idea that you can insert words like "Doors" and hope it uses but not knowingly bits from "The Doors" is pretty much the opposite of a figleaf. People often put things like that in their prompts, and confirmation bias tells them it worked when they run it a few times and get something that sounds like The Doors, even though the meaningless bit of prompt you gave it was simply ignored. The similarity is because of your words and description of the style. Period. Writing "Yngwie" in the prompt will get you arpeggios, but they sound nothing like him. Just as another example. Because the prompt is giving the AI genre cues only, and nothing so specific as actual Yngwie arpeggios, scales and ladder riffs.
  - Nursie 2y ago
    Not convinced, sorry. The “figleaf” is the service saying “Oh we can’t use artists in prompts, here, let me use a prompt that looks suspiciously like a set of tags from a specific music site instead” nod wink. And then the underlying model quite often fills in a well known voice and style. And that’s if the service spots the artist was in there and substitutes anyway, which it doesn’t always. So regardless, prompts may or may not be giving detailed Yngwie arpeggios to the model, but the model is clearly trained on them and can reproduce eerily similar music and voices to any given artist when given the right triggers. It’s (IMHO) clearly plagiarism on a massive scale. Great fun to play with though. (To be crystal clear, my contention is not “they are doing some dodgy prompt stuff to make their model produce known artists”, it is that their model is very good at spitting out massively ripped-off voices and styles. It is their attempts to cover this with “we don’t allow you to specify an artist!” that are the figleaf over the nature of the model)

by ksaj 2y ago

j45 2y ago

Udio is trippy in its own way like this. Sometimes it sounds like every singers voice that can fit a genre can be heard at once unless you specify it.

j45 2y ago

Udio seems to pull it off more often. The other day I had someone mention to me their copywriting prompts were still looking basic.. and right away I knew his process was basic or dated.

Nursie 2y ago

Try out udio. I was absolutely blown away by it. It's clear that it has been trained on everyone's real output, ever, and their "You can't request the styles of real artists" is just a figleaf. But the output is impressive.

ksaj 2y ago
The idea that you can insert words like "Doors" and hope it uses but not knowingly bits from "The Doors" is pretty much the opposite of a figleaf. People often put things like that in their prompts, and confirmation bias tells them it worked when they run it a few times and get something that sounds like The Doors, even though the meaningless bit of prompt you gave it was simply ignored. The similarity is because of your words and description of the style. Period. Writing "Yngwie" in the prompt will get you arpeggios, but they sound nothing like him. Just as another example. Because the prompt is giving the AI genre cues only, and nothing so specific as actual Yngwie arpeggios, scales and ladder riffs.
- Nursie 2y ago
  Not convinced, sorry. The “figleaf” is the service saying “Oh we can’t use artists in prompts, here, let me use a prompt that looks suspiciously like a set of tags from a specific music site instead” nod wink. And then the underlying model quite often fills in a well known voice and style. And that’s if the service spots the artist was in there and substitutes anyway, which it doesn’t always. So regardless, prompts may or may not be giving detailed Yngwie arpeggios to the model, but the model is clearly trained on them and can reproduce eerily similar music and voices to any given artist when given the right triggers. It’s (IMHO) clearly plagiarism on a massive scale. Great fun to play with though. (To be crystal clear, my contention is not “they are doing some dodgy prompt stuff to make their model produce known artists”, it is that their model is very good at spitting out massively ripped-off voices and styles. It is their attempts to cover this with “we don’t allow you to specify an artist!” that are the figleaf over the nature of the model)