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We are dying of abundance

by tsunamifury 2y ago

ponector 2y ago
Mostly Americans and some island nations. Many developed countries have much healthier people.
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  I decided to check for Finland, a country I’ve often fantasized about moving to since it often scores very highly on happiness maps. > As of December 2023, Finland's obesity rate is 27% for men and 30% for women, with a body mass index (BMI) above the obesity threshold of 30 kg/m2. This is higher than the EU average and has increased significantly in recent decades. Obesity is most prevalent among people aged 40–64, with one in three in this age group being obese. Abdominal obesity is also common, affecting almost half of adults. It seems to be quite bad other places too.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    >Finland ... often scores very highly on happiness maps. A Finnish comedian has something to say about that) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA
  - ghnws 2y ago
    Sedetary life style combined with lots of sausages, red meat an butter does that to a people. Alcohol is also a huge problem in Finland. Not uncommon for men to drink beer daily.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  It's getting worse everywhere: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-as-obese?tab=chart&country=USA~WHO_AMR~WHO_EUR~WHO_AFR~WHO_EMR~WHO_SEAR~WHO_WPAC https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a...
- prepend 2y ago
  It’s a function of wealth. As nations increase their wealth, their obesity goes up. Except for Japan, they seem to have it figured out. But all the Euro nations have also seen obesity spike over the same time period. Just not as much as the US because they aren’t as wealthy.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    Not quite: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-as-obese?tab=chart&country=USA~FRA~DEU~GRC~GBR~ESP~ITA~SWE~POL~PRT~UKR~SRB~CHE https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a... Sweden and Switzerland are the lowest obesity of that list while being of the highest wealth. While Ukraine has been near the top with the lowest wealth. Greece and France are also outliers.
    - tsunamifury 2y ago
      It seems to be actually a curve where as you approach wealth you get more overweight but after a certain point you become more healthy again. Probably due to changes in burden of time and stress and more refined taste in food and a focus on fitness when you reach true wealth.
    - prepend 2y ago
      Sweden’s obesity increased from 10% to 20% as their wealth increased. Switzerland from 5% to 20%. My point stands. I’m saying it’s impossible to have high obesity, but that it’s a function of wealth.
      - reducesuffering 2y ago
        While wealth is involved in food abundance aspects, it’s not just a function of wealth as Greece’s obesity increased from 2010-2020 while their wealth decreased. And the wealthier parts of the US are the least obese.
        prepend 2y ago

We are dying of abundance

ponector 2y ago

Mostly Americans and some island nations. Many developed countries have much healthier people.

Mistletoe 2y ago
I decided to check for Finland, a country I’ve often fantasized about moving to since it often scores very highly on happiness maps. > As of December 2023, Finland's obesity rate is 27% for men and 30% for women, with a body mass index (BMI) above the obesity threshold of 30 kg/m2. This is higher than the EU average and has increased significantly in recent decades. Obesity is most prevalent among people aged 40–64, with one in three in this age group being obese. Abdominal obesity is also common, affecting almost half of adults. It seems to be quite bad other places too.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  >Finland ... often scores very highly on happiness maps. A Finnish comedian has something to say about that) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA
- ghnws 2y ago
  Sedetary life style combined with lots of sausages, red meat an butter does that to a people. Alcohol is also a huge problem in Finland. Not uncommon for men to drink beer daily.
reducesuffering 2y ago
It's getting worse everywhere: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-as-obese?tab=chart&country=USA~WHO_AMR~WHO_EUR~WHO_AFR~WHO_EMR~WHO_SEAR~WHO_WPAC https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a...
prepend 2y ago
It’s a function of wealth. As nations increase their wealth, their obesity goes up. Except for Japan, they seem to have it figured out. But all the Euro nations have also seen obesity spike over the same time period. Just not as much as the US because they aren’t as wealthy.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  Not quite: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-as-obese?tab=chart&country=USA~FRA~DEU~GRC~GBR~ESP~ITA~SWE~POL~PRT~UKR~SRB~CHE https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a... Sweden and Switzerland are the lowest obesity of that list while being of the highest wealth. While Ukraine has been near the top with the lowest wealth. Greece and France are also outliers.
  - tsunamifury 2y ago
    It seems to be actually a curve where as you approach wealth you get more overweight but after a certain point you become more healthy again. Probably due to changes in burden of time and stress and more refined taste in food and a focus on fitness when you reach true wealth.
  - prepend 2y ago
    Sweden’s obesity increased from 10% to 20% as their wealth increased. Switzerland from 5% to 20%. My point stands. I’m saying it’s impossible to have high obesity, but that it’s a function of wealth.
    - reducesuffering 2y ago
      While wealth is involved in food abundance aspects, it’s not just a function of wealth as Greece’s obesity increased from 2010-2020 while their wealth decreased. And the wealthier parts of the US are the least obese.
      - prepend 2y ago