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> it's clearly a net positive for Eelco to step way way back and that he has been in no way contributing to healing Just let people do their thing. You’re not

by sshine 2y ago

> it's clearly a net positive for Eelco to step way way back and that he has been in no way contributing to healing Just let people do their thing. You’re not a bad person if you have nothing wise to say about people being hurt, and lots to say about resolving dependency constraints. > fragment the community on a deeply technical level, ruining code reuse and interoperability Most Nix consultancies I encounter make highly reusable flakes. flake-parts, flake-utils, fenix. They have a small commercial spot in their package’s namespace, and the first reason you look them up is “I wonder if they’re doing other smart Nix things that I can copy”, and they usually do.

MrJohz 2y ago
You're not a bad person, but you might be a poor leader in that situation, which, as I understand it, is the main focus of the complaint. There's a difference between letting people do their thing, and letting them lead a large community of developers despite that not being their strength.
- sshine 2y ago
  > in no way contributing to healing > might be a poor leader in that situation FUD. https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-board-giving-power-to-the-community/44552 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-board-giving-... > While the foundation board was never intended to lead the community, we cannot deny that it is perceived to be in that role by many, and we therefore take full accountability. [...] Eelco is the principal author of Nix and undoubtedly a central figure in the ecosystem that grew around it. We confirm that Eelco showed no intention to be perceived as or act like the BDFL of the Nix ecosystem, or the Nix code base. *To commit to that in a timely manner, he has decided to formally step down from the board. This decision was made amicably and in mutual agreement with the board that this is the right thing to do.* Our collaboration was always characterised by our deep respect for Eelco’s work and our awareness of his lasting impact on our lives.
  - MrJohz 2y ago
    Fwiw, I'm not a Nix user nor am I really following the whole discussion here. I'm not trying to spread "FUD", just point out that there's a difference between "bad person" and "bad at the role one is currently in". That said, as a complete outsider, the quote "the foundation board was never intended to lead the community" is wild to me. It sounds like the director of NASA going "I never intended this role to have anything to do with space". I think I understand the meaning behind the sentence - they wanted to support the community, but that the community leads itself in some way - but I can also see why the community would see them as having that leadership role that they apparently wanted to avoid. I also don't understand why someone who wanted a purely technical role would ever be on that board in the first place. Like I said, I'm not really following this debacle, and I don't know the details. I'm just amazed at that quote, which seems very revealing to me.

by sshine 2y ago

MrJohz 2y ago

You're not a bad person, but you might be a poor leader in that situation, which, as I understand it, is the main focus of the complaint. There's a difference between letting people do their thing, and letting them lead a large community of developers despite that not being their strength.

sshine 2y ago
> in no way contributing to healing > might be a poor leader in that situation FUD. https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-board-giving-power-to-the-community/44552 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-board-giving-... > While the foundation board was never intended to lead the community, we cannot deny that it is perceived to be in that role by many, and we therefore take full accountability. [...] Eelco is the principal author of Nix and undoubtedly a central figure in the ecosystem that grew around it. We confirm that Eelco showed no intention to be perceived as or act like the BDFL of the Nix ecosystem, or the Nix code base. *To commit to that in a timely manner, he has decided to formally step down from the board. This decision was made amicably and in mutual agreement with the board that this is the right thing to do.* Our collaboration was always characterised by our deep respect for Eelco’s work and our awareness of his lasting impact on our lives.
- MrJohz 2y ago
  Fwiw, I'm not a Nix user nor am I really following the whole discussion here. I'm not trying to spread "FUD", just point out that there's a difference between "bad person" and "bad at the role one is currently in". That said, as a complete outsider, the quote "the foundation board was never intended to lead the community" is wild to me. It sounds like the director of NASA going "I never intended this role to have anything to do with space". I think I understand the meaning behind the sentence - they wanted to support the community, but that the community leads itself in some way - but I can also see why the community would see them as having that leadership role that they apparently wanted to avoid. I also don't understand why someone who wanted a purely technical role would ever be on that board in the first place. Like I said, I'm not really following this debacle, and I don't know the details. I'm just amazed at that quote, which seems very revealing to me.