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You need to come up for air. You seem to be stuck so deep in that weird subculture's "logic" that you're having trouble imagining someone who isn't. I don't ga

by tivert 2y ago

You need to come up for air. You seem to be stuck so deep in that weird subculture's "logic" that you're having trouble imagining someone who isn't. I don't gamble, and even if I did I certainly wouldn't take a bet for a large sum of money with some internet rando playing a rhetorical game.

why_only_15 2y ago
If you are making a prediction about the world, why not gamble on it? It shows to others that you have an actual stake as opposed to blathering.
- tivert 2y ago
  Come up for air. I'm not part of that subculture and I feel no need indulge it or to prove myself to members of it by participating in its rituals.
  - ifyoubuildit 2y ago
    As someone who doesn't know what subculture you're talking about, parent's argument sounds reasonable to me. There's even an old saying that everyone has probably heard - "Why don't you put your money where your mouth is." Is that some kind of fringe thing now?
    - tivert 2y ago
      > As someone who doesn't know what subculture you're talking about... Bets like the one discussed here are a rhetorical tic of the "rationalist" community. > ...parent's argument sounds reasonable to me. Kinda sorta. It's just a weird ritual of theirs to demonstrate commitment, and they often have a really hard time understanding that their weird rituals and mores are not universal and they can't reasonably go around expecting random people on the internet to follow them. Challenging someone to a bet like this comes off exactly as a challenge to prove your commitment by putting a bucket on your head and banging it with a stick for an hour, just because that's some weird thing the challenger's friends do among themselves.
      - ifyoubuildit 2y ago
        You're using the word weird a lot, but I don't see what's so weird about the concept of "put your money where your mouth is" (or "put up or shutup", or "wanna bet?", or other variations on the theme). The bucket on head example certainly is weird. I just don't see how that's related. The logic I'm seeing is 1) the "rationalist" community does x, 2) I don't like the rationalist community, 3) so x is stupid. Is there more to it?
        tivert 2y ago
        > You're using the word weird a lot, but I don't see what's so weird about the concept of "put your money where your mouth is" (or "put up or shutup", or "wanna bet?", or other variations on the theme). Let me explain it to you slowly and clearly: neither challenging people to bets nor banging a bucket on your head are things typically asked of people to prove their commitment to a statement, hence it's weird to ask someone to do them. They might common in some weird subculture, but it is additionally weird to go up to someone outside of that subculture and make weird subcultural demands. Also the examples you gave are literally rude, for the most part, and don't actually mean what you seem to think they mean (if you want a source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/put%20up%20or%20shut%20up https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/put%20up%20or%20s...). > The logic I'm seeing is 1) the "rationalist" community does x, 2) I don't like the rationalist community, 3) so x is stupid. Is there more to it? You see wrong.
        ifyoubuildit 2y ago
        > neither challenging people to bets nor banging a bucket on your head are things typically asked of people to prove their commitment to a statement, hence it's weird to ask someone to do them. We apparently just live in different universes. In my universe, one of those things is completely unremarkable. I must be a part of some weird subculture, TIL. > Also the examples you gave are literally rude, for the most part, and don't actually mean what you seem to think they mean Like most things, they can be rude, or they can be completely benign, depending on the context and delivery. I don't see anything conflicting in the definition you linked, but as you pointed out, I see wrong, so that's probably why.

by tivert 2y ago

why_only_15 2y ago

If you are making a prediction about the world, why not gamble on it? It shows to others that you have an actual stake as opposed to blathering.

tivert 2y ago
Come up for air. I'm not part of that subculture and I feel no need indulge it or to prove myself to members of it by participating in its rituals.
- ifyoubuildit 2y ago
  As someone who doesn't know what subculture you're talking about, parent's argument sounds reasonable to me. There's even an old saying that everyone has probably heard - "Why don't you put your money where your mouth is." Is that some kind of fringe thing now?
  - tivert 2y ago
    > As someone who doesn't know what subculture you're talking about... Bets like the one discussed here are a rhetorical tic of the "rationalist" community. > ...parent's argument sounds reasonable to me. Kinda sorta. It's just a weird ritual of theirs to demonstrate commitment, and they often have a really hard time understanding that their weird rituals and mores are not universal and they can't reasonably go around expecting random people on the internet to follow them. Challenging someone to a bet like this comes off exactly as a challenge to prove your commitment by putting a bucket on your head and banging it with a stick for an hour, just because that's some weird thing the challenger's friends do among themselves.
    - ifyoubuildit 2y ago
      You're using the word weird a lot, but I don't see what's so weird about the concept of "put your money where your mouth is" (or "put up or shutup", or "wanna bet?", or other variations on the theme). The bucket on head example certainly is weird. I just don't see how that's related. The logic I'm seeing is 1) the "rationalist" community does x, 2) I don't like the rationalist community, 3) so x is stupid. Is there more to it?
      - tivert 2y ago
        > You're using the word weird a lot, but I don't see what's so weird about the concept of "put your money where your mouth is" (or "put up or shutup", or "wanna bet?", or other variations on the theme). Let me explain it to you slowly and clearly: neither challenging people to bets nor banging a bucket on your head are things typically asked of people to prove their commitment to a statement, hence it's weird to ask someone to do them. They might common in some weird subculture, but it is additionally weird to go up to someone outside of that subculture and make weird subcultural demands. Also the examples you gave are literally rude, for the most part, and don't actually mean what you seem to think they mean (if you want a source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/put%20up%20or%20shut%20up https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/put%20up%20or%20s...). > The logic I'm seeing is 1) the "rationalist" community does x, 2) I don't like the rationalist community, 3) so x is stupid. Is there more to it? You see wrong.
        ifyoubuildit 2y ago
        > neither challenging people to bets nor banging a bucket on your head are things typically asked of people to prove their commitment to a statement, hence it's weird to ask someone to do them. We apparently just live in different universes. In my universe, one of those things is completely unremarkable. I must be a part of some weird subculture, TIL. > Also the examples you gave are literally rude, for the most part, and don't actually mean what you seem to think they mean Like most things, they can be rude, or they can be completely benign, depending on the context and delivery. I don't see anything conflicting in the definition you linked, but as you pointed out, I see wrong, so that's probably why.