it's not a bad model. I went to a uni with no engineering school (it was one of the expansion red-brick uni's of the 1950s in the UK, it took until the 1990s fo

it's not a bad model. I went to a uni with no engineering school (it was one of the expansion red-brick uni's of the 1950s in the UK, it took until the 1990s for them to "grow up" and get engineering, medical and other schools attached) and so this wasn't an option. If I'd gone to Leeds uni 40 miles away they were doing Meade-Conway student LSI with very low yield but none the less, the students got to debug chips they'd made from traces in Magic and other design tools. My mind was officially blown (I worked there in computing support after I graduated)