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Olympic surfing comes to a 'poisoned' paradise

13 points by Thevet 2y ago

NikxDa 2y ago
No paywall: https://archive.is/NyEQo https://archive.is/NyEQo
janice1999 2y ago
The UK did the same in Australia [1] and there is still significant contamination in some parts of South Australia. Both governments showed total disregard for the safety of native people of course, including locals being blinded by the tests. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/14/australia/australia-uk-nuclear-tests-anniversary-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/14/australia/australia-uk-nu...
- defrost 2y ago
  They also drifted fallout across Adelaide and dusted a future UK Prime Minister as a young boy. My name is Yami Lester I hear I talk I touch but I am blind My story comes from darkness Listen to my story now unwind This is a rainy land First we heard two big bangs We thought it was the great snake digging holes Then we saw the big cloud Then the big black mist began to roll This is a rainy land ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY13PCeSxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY13PCeSxc In the USofA they just went straight to testing on home soil and wafting fallout across Los Vegas and elsewhere. SGS Maps Radioactive Fallout from U.S. Nuclear Weapon Tests, Beginning with July 1945 Trinity Test https://sgs.princeton.edu/news-announcements/news-2023-07-21 https://sgs.princeton.edu/news-announcements/news-2023-07-21 https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-fallout-nuclear-weapons-testing https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-fallout-nuclear-weap... and then there was the seal level coral reef blast that won the record for fallout across the Pacific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo and spawned a generation of mutant radioactive skyscraper toppling lizards and tutles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla_(franchise) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla_(franchise) .
- integricho 2y ago
  And yet, none of these countries are held accountable for what they did, western hipocrisy at it's best.
sourcecodeplz 2y ago
Super sad really. I was watching the surfing Olympics and thought wow that island and water looks so cool, wish I could visit that place someday...
maratc 2y ago
To put this in context: I read a paper by someone British where they state that the lifetime risk of cancer is 39% for a male and 36% for a female, no radiation events needed. Cancers in areas influenced by radiation is a very sensible topic, as an assumption could be made for a direct causation between the two. That causation argument, though, needs to be proven first. In the areas affected by Chernobyl disaster, that lifetime cancer risk went up to 41%/38% respectively. It's unclear even if that rise can be attributed to Chernobyl fallout, or to other factors. See also: https://cancerletter.com/guest-editorial/20210423_3/ https://cancerletter.com/guest-editorial/20210423_3/
- BaculumMeumEst 2y ago
  Putting things in context is something that responsible journalists would do, and it never happens, because it would take more work and scare the shit out of people less, so what's the point? Thank you so much for sharing this.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    > Putting things in context is something that responsible journalists would do, The authors did. I suggest you read the article. They talk about local cancer rates vs France and the types of cancer locals get.
- janice1999 2y ago
  Lifetime statistics are not relevant here. An elderly man developing prostate cancer is not the same as an infant getting thyroid cancer. Live long enough and you get cancer - 70% of men over 70 already have cancerous prostate cells. Specific cancers can absolutely be linked with exposure to radiation and certain chemicals.
  - maratc 2y ago
    I've done a short stint early in my career doing risk calculations for the health sector, and from what I remember it's impossible to have any meaningful progress appealing to the feelings, e.g. talking about "infants having cancer". If we want to make progress, we have to talk about "quality-adjusted life years" (QALY). In your examples, "an elderly man developing prostate cancer" doesn't suffer big QALY impact, since elderly men sadly don't have many LY to begin with, and in addition prostate cancer survivorship rates are pretty high. On the other hand, speaking about thyroid cancer — and don't get me wrong, any cancer sucks — but thyroid cancer afair has well above 95% survivorship rate, where the patient has the thyroid removed and needs to rely on daily pill for the rest of their lives, which no doubt sucks but their life expectancy is otherwise not suffering big impact.

13 points by Thevet 2y ago

No paywall: https://archive.is/NyEQo https://archive.is/NyEQo

janice1999 2y ago

The UK did the same in Australia [1] and there is still significant contamination in some parts of South Australia. Both governments showed total disregard for the safety of native people of course, including locals being blinded by the tests. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/14/australia/australia-uk-nuclear-tests-anniversary-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/14/australia/australia-uk-nu...

defrost 2y ago
They also drifted fallout across Adelaide and dusted a future UK Prime Minister as a young boy. My name is Yami Lester I hear I talk I touch but I am blind My story comes from darkness Listen to my story now unwind This is a rainy land First we heard two big bangs We thought it was the great snake digging holes Then we saw the big cloud Then the big black mist began to roll This is a rainy land ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY13PCeSxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY13PCeSxc In the USofA they just went straight to testing on home soil and wafting fallout across Los Vegas and elsewhere. SGS Maps Radioactive Fallout from U.S. Nuclear Weapon Tests, Beginning with July 1945 Trinity Test https://sgs.princeton.edu/news-announcements/news-2023-07-21 https://sgs.princeton.edu/news-announcements/news-2023-07-21 https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-fallout-nuclear-weapons-testing https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-fallout-nuclear-weap... and then there was the seal level coral reef blast that won the record for fallout across the Pacific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo and spawned a generation of mutant radioactive skyscraper toppling lizards and tutles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla_(franchise) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla_(franchise) .
integricho 2y ago
And yet, none of these countries are held accountable for what they did, western hipocrisy at it's best.

sourcecodeplz 2y ago

Super sad really. I was watching the surfing Olympics and thought wow that island and water looks so cool, wish I could visit that place someday...

maratc 2y ago

To put this in context: I read a paper by someone British where they state that the lifetime risk of cancer is 39% for a male and 36% for a female, no radiation events needed. Cancers in areas influenced by radiation is a very sensible topic, as an assumption could be made for a direct causation between the two. That causation argument, though, needs to be proven first. In the areas affected by Chernobyl disaster, that lifetime cancer risk went up to 41%/38% respectively. It's unclear even if that rise can be attributed to Chernobyl fallout, or to other factors. See also: https://cancerletter.com/guest-editorial/20210423_3/ https://cancerletter.com/guest-editorial/20210423_3/

BaculumMeumEst 2y ago
Putting things in context is something that responsible journalists would do, and it never happens, because it would take more work and scare the shit out of people less, so what's the point? Thank you so much for sharing this.
- janice1999 2y ago
  > Putting things in context is something that responsible journalists would do, The authors did. I suggest you read the article. They talk about local cancer rates vs France and the types of cancer locals get.
janice1999 2y ago
Lifetime statistics are not relevant here. An elderly man developing prostate cancer is not the same as an infant getting thyroid cancer. Live long enough and you get cancer - 70% of men over 70 already have cancerous prostate cells. Specific cancers can absolutely be linked with exposure to radiation and certain chemicals.
- maratc 2y ago
  I've done a short stint early in my career doing risk calculations for the health sector, and from what I remember it's impossible to have any meaningful progress appealing to the feelings, e.g. talking about "infants having cancer". If we want to make progress, we have to talk about "quality-adjusted life years" (QALY). In your examples, "an elderly man developing prostate cancer" doesn't suffer big QALY impact, since elderly men sadly don't have many LY to begin with, and in addition prostate cancer survivorship rates are pretty high. On the other hand, speaking about thyroid cancer — and don't get me wrong, any cancer sucks — but thyroid cancer afair has well above 95% survivorship rate, where the patient has the thyroid removed and needs to rely on daily pill for the rest of their lives, which no doubt sucks but their life expectancy is otherwise not suffering big impact.