I’m not making fun of them, I really like them. I also appreciate the shared vocabulary; in conversations with good actors they’re very beneficial. However, I

I’m not making fun of them, I really like them. I also appreciate the shared vocabulary; in conversations with good actors they’re very beneficial. However, I stand by my statement that they’re abused for propagating one’s own agenda. Like you said there are adversarial LPs, and sometimes there is a clear winner but the opposing side can masquerade behind the opposing LP and make it seem like they’re in good faith. They’re a net benefit for sure, but it really works best when you don’t have bad actors (I guess that’s probably true for all paradigms though).